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Isn't the answer obvious? The 40 companies will have to use AI to filter the messages too. If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for
by raincole 2mo ago
Isn't the answer obvious? The 40 companies will have to use AI to filter the messages too.
If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to.
- slg 2mo agoEverything is becoming wildly inefficient, all in the name of improved efficiency.
- dgellow 2mo agoAnd everybody in the chain can even justify their improved efficiency! It‘s capitalism endgoal. A massive Goldberg machine, where each piece can be optimized, but overall does produce close to no value compared to its cost and effort
- Taek 2mo agoI have a hard time looking at the world around me and thinking "close to no value"
- dgellow 2mo agoI’m talking specifically about the AI industry
- brookst 2mo agoWell, how does it compare to the internet industry?
- dgellow 2mo agoLet me know, I personally don’t see meaningful comparisons to make between the 2
- brookst 2mo agoThe meaningful comparison is that technologies are not industries. What even is the internet industry? There was a brief time in the 1990’s when that was a thing, just like AI will be subsumed as a technology in actual industries in the next decade.
- inigyou 2mo agoBesides technological progress which has nothing to do with this effect and would have happened anyway, what's the value that we didn't have 30 years ago?
- brabel 2mo agoIt’s so incredible to me that now we have a chat interface we can ask about anything in any language and get really great answers, something literally considered science fiction a few years ago, and people still act like that is no big deal at all. No value in something like that! Don’t tell me it’s inaccurate, I strongly believe it’s way more accurate than if you could ask an expert in each topic , which of course you couldn’t and even if you did, you would most likely not want to since you would get a lot of “you don’t actually want that, you want this unrelated thing, trust me I am better than you”. Just remember StackOverflow (depending on how young you are perhaps you never even heard of that given how much AI has eclipsed it)!
- inigyou 2mo agoIt gives wrong answers.
- legacynl 2mo ago> I strongly believe it’s way more accurate than if you could ask an expert in each topic You can believe anything you want. I can also believe that the only thing that has gone up in the last 30 years is billionaires' worth, and amount of idiots saying things they don't know anything about. I strongly believe this. Don't tell me it's inaccurate.
- brabel 2mo agoAt least you acknowledge you believe in absurdities. My belief is not absurd , it’s what I have seen myself in the last year or so.
- slg 2mo ago>It’s so incredible to me that now we have a chat interface we can ask about anything in any language and get really great answers, something literally considered science fiction a few years ago, and people still act like that is no big deal at all. Because the importance of this is all about perspective. It wasn't like these systems created this information out of thin air. They were trained on something. That means the answers they are giving you have been available for decades. You just needed the know-how to find that information and synthesize the answers yourself. To many of us, it's like going from the old physical card catalogs to a modern digital system that would have seemed like sci-fi to a prior generation too. It's definitely more efficient and easier to use, but people acting like it's revolutionary seem to be suggesting that the old system didn't exist or wasn't usable with a little effort.
- andrewflnr 2mo agoThis is no one's end goal. It's just the market being irrational longer than sane people can stay solvent.
- nik282000 2mo agoIt's greed at the top pushing the market into insanity. "AI" vendors are dangling the carrot of "eliminate manpower" in front of the manpower-owning class and they are throwing everything they have at it. The wealth that's been thrown into this hole could have payed for a couple million work-years of developers.
- brookst 2mo agoThere are, what, about 50 million developers worldwide? So instead of AI that pretty much everyone can use, we could have had 3 or 4 weeks of business as usual?
- Manfrednotfunny 2mo agoIf AGI is the next evolutionary goal, its the difference between being stuck and not. Wealth is also only relevant in a capitalistic system, which we invented. It could easily be that all other species never created capitalism and are therefore waiting for us somewere which we will not reach because we are stuck on 'wealth'. And if we are stuck in a local minimum, it might seem that GPT-2 broke us out of there.
- dgellow 2mo agoOr LLMs will end up being the local optimum we organize society around and sacrifice everything to, and end up not being the child dream of infinite wealth and benefits the AI boosters believe in. laissez-faire capitalism tends to result in power concentration and the creation of a distinct class of hyper-wealthy and powerful individuals with close to infinite power to dictate the future. That’s pretty much the situation we are in. If the current AI bet turns out to not be the next revolution, what’s the plan? What will be the pivot? What happens to all the capex and commitments, the reputation of all the people who promised that was the journey to the holly land? The answer is that there is no plan, AI has to work to justify the system itself. It’s almost a natural result of the economical and ideological system we conceived. It’s really not that different from blockchains, though at least LLMs have some actual use cases. But there is a complete disconnect between the actual ROI and the vision sold by the AI folks
- saidinesh5 2mo agoI think that's just the phase 1? Once we have all the use cases figured out, optimizations gradually follow?
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- f6v 2mo agoWe're living the uranium glass moment. It's going to change, of course.
- brookst 2mo agoYour comment reminds me of the move to packet-switched and routed networks, which were much more complicated than connecting wires end to end. And yet…
- xorcist 2mo agoThe only way that argument makes sense is when inverted. Packet switched networks did not compete with loose wires hand placed by polite women. They competed with circuit switched networks which emulated that network architecture. And packet switched network equipment were much, much, much more simple than their time divisioned counterparts. On the same budget you could run an order of magnitude fatter pipes using ethernet switches rather than ATM switches. That's also why they won. Simpler and cheaper architecture end-to-end means the same budget can be spent more wisely. That's usually what wins in an open market.
- zeafoamrun 2mo agoIt's crazy dude, whenever we put up a job ad it's filled with thousands of LLM generated fake candidates in a few days. Looking at the examples they show here it is making more sense. Also where all the "content" on LinkedIn comes from.
- XCSme 2mo agoWill we have any way to know if a submission was done by a human or a bot?
- elwebmaster 2mo agoWe are doing AI screening. Candidate works with AI for 15 minutes and session is recorded. We review real output not AI generated resume. If candidate can get AI to apply and produce meaningful output then maybe we should hire that candidate. Currently outputs are manually reviewed but easy enought to have AI screen outputs.
- eloisius 2mo agoThe inundation of AI applications is shitty, but I think this side of the coin—AI interviewer—is even worse. This is degrading for a human applicant, and after the very immediate term it’s probably not going to be very useful. Instead of grinding leetcode, people are going to be grinding the AI interview, which is depressing to even consider. Not only that, but there’s also going to be an arms race of AI tools that can ace the AI interview for you.
- King-Aaron 2mo agoThis sucks man.
- FridgeSeal 2mo agoWhere do you work? Mostly so that I can know to never apply, because that application process sounds awful and degrading.
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- __xor_eax_eax 2mo agoWe will soon be in a world where human to human communication is the only one that has value. Mark my words
- andrewflnr 2mo agoThat was always true. We'll just know the difference better.
- thombat 2mo agoI'd mark them face-to-face, but here? Maybe I'm talking to a bot. Or maybe you'll be, if you reply.
- inigyou 2mo agoActual value yes. But everything with financial value will be LLM to LLM.
- dgellow 2mo agoLLM is really an anti human technology. The incentives that creates are terrible for society
- theshrike79 2mo agoCounter point: Companies have made their pages as hard as possible to access with automated tools. People move to agents, if your site is "invisible" to agentic users (no API, no MCP) people won't find it. Companies start opening up APIs - which lets non-agent users like us create tooling on top of it _without_ agents.
- virgildotcodes 2mo agoNot that useful when large swathes of the population are unemployed, which is where this is all aiming.
- csomar 2mo agoDo you have even an example of this (one should ask for measurable data openness) or are you just making stuff up? Everything around has/is becoming more closed and I have one example: Reddit. It is not impossible to read without an account (account-walled).
- theshrike79 2mo agoI have a friend who works in B2B eCommerce specifically with some projects in D2C and they're saying that SEO is mostly a dead end now. It's all about Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) or Generative Engine Optimization (GEO). So if someone is looking for a 18V cordless drill for drilling into concrete, they'll most likely ask an agent. If your site has bad AEO/GEO, the product pages are either impossible to read by an agent or the data is badly formatted -> the agent won't recommend your product, resulting in a lost sale. Like SEO gave us OpenGraph and similar common tools to provide data in a machine readable form, AEO/GEO will force data to be readable by agents. Some sites like Consumer Reports block all crawlers, so we'll see how that goes for them.
- tomrod 2mo agoAI Loopidity in other words
- aejm 2mo agoThe problem: too much AI The solution: more AI!
- kkotak 2mo agoIt's already a bot eats bot world.
- goosejuice 2mo agoLike payment networks? I dunno, this just seems like commerce to me. If the inference doesn't return value it won't be used
- cm2187 2mo agoMCP servers everywhere rather. You automate your life with a bot, the bot interacts with the world through MCP servers (or their successor). The MCP servers themselves may have been implemented by bots but AI to AI is unnecessary wasteful.
- monooso 2mo agoI don't disagree, but what a godawful prospect.
- ignoramous 2mo agoAnti-DDoS Cloudflare for inbound emails and WhatsApp messages?
- inigyou 2mo agoEvery company was already using AI filtering last year. They were using it last decade, too, but that was a Bayesian filter instead of an LLM. I get a higher response rate when I include white text on my résumé.
- Gormo 2mo ago> If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to. I'm sure mainframe time-share providers in the '60s and '70s were salivating at the possibility of computers mediating most business tasks, too, completely unaware of the microcomputer revolution that was about to happen.
- ljf 2mo agoVery much this - we are firmly at the centralised stage - when I have truly local AI running on my devices, my cost will be the energy they use - if I use open source models. I follow a guy on instagram who is doing this today, with old mobile phones and Raspberry Pi - for now I'll stick to my free Perplexity account, but looking forward to being self-sufficient one day.
- Gormo 2mo ago> but looking forward to being self-sufficient one day. I don't know how much experimentation you're doing with local AI, but that day may be sooner than you think. The ecosystem is evolving extremely rapidly.
- ljf 2mo agoI'm only on the edges to be honest and watching others - I'm not as technical as I once was, and I don't have the time I'd like to invest in this right now - too many competing hobbies. Looking forward to the day this becomes very very easy for the likes of me.
- fny 2mo agoBut we do live in this era, no? What is cloud compute other than a time share?
- Gormo 2mo agoSomeone in the early '80s could have also said "we do live in this era" in response to someone pointing at an Apple II or original IBM PC and seeing it as something that would ultimately upend the mainframe market entirely. In fact, we're already further along than that in terms of local AI. I'm currently able to get usable results at 8-10 tokens/sec using open-weight models on my laptop's integrated GPU, running on battery power. A $4,000 DGX Spark (less than what an IBM PC cost at launch in inflation-adjusted dollars) can get 3-5 times the inferencing performance with models 3-5x larger.
- xorcist 2mo agoHigh cost of doing business is what makes societies stagnate. We've seen that over and over again throughout history, and we will see it again it we continue too far on this road.