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Sleep is Lindy... obesity and constant wakefulness are not. The sad fact is that people will be pressured into taking this. E: Lindy was probably the wrong te
by Liftyee 2mo ago
Sleep is Lindy... obesity and constant wakefulness are not.
The sad fact is that people will be pressured into taking this.
E: Lindy was probably the wrong term. But still, it's like Chesterton's fence. We are far from fully understanding human biology... and deleting sleep will lead to unknown effects. All power to those who try, I guess.
- andybak 2mo agoIs "Lindy" a typo or have I missed another linguistic innovation?
- gottorf 2mo agoAnother linguistic innovation[0] -- the idea that things that have been around for a long time are more likely to persist for another long time. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect
- shimman 2mo agoThis feels like a stupid heuristic to use if applied to biological forces.
- ternaryoperator 2mo agoIn the definition of it, living things are specifically excluded.
- bryanrasmussen 2mo agoit seems however some things that are not excluded are just one step removed from biological entities, hence >comedians do not have a fixed amount of comedic material to spread over TV appearances, but rather, the more appearances they make, the more future appearances they are predicted to make sure, but earlier it says that it does not apply to humans because the Lindy effect would imply that a 100 year old would have more life left than an 11 year old, which is counterintuitive, but the example given above would imply George Burns had more television appearances left to do at the age of 99 than Macaulay Culkin at the age of 9, which is just a layer of abstraction laid over the biological age property.
- testdelacc1 2mo agoIt’s some shit a guy called Taleb came up with. It’s a useful indicator because someone quoting Taleb unironically is someone who can’t tell that Taleb is a midwit.
- knowaveragejoe 2mo agoSeems like it predates him significantly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect#History
- strictnein 2mo agoI was kind of shocked how bad some of his writing and "logic" were after hearing people rave about his books for years.
- ben_w 2mo agoI get the vibe, but I wouldn't say shocked, merely disappointed. The Black Swan's point would fit on the book's cover even if printed in the font used for the author's name, the work felt to me like 99% was just garrulous "look at me aren't I smart" padding.
- dylan604 2mo agoSo he used an LLM? /s
- FeteCommuniste 2mo agoChecking out his Twitter feed first might have dampened some of that shock.
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- glerk 2mo agoAging and cancer are also Lindy. Two things you'll always find someone to defend with vigor are sleep and death. A lot of humans seem to despise living in general. It's fascinating to see.
- ben_w 2mo agoSleep is less surprising for me to see people defend than death, to the extent that I'm not sure if I myself have or not done so. I mean, I can directly feel the benefit of a good sleep that refreshes me in the morning, whereas there's those who have passed on whom I miss. If I didn't need sleep, really didn't, I wouldn't seek to re-invent it; but of the two it is old age that I'd actively pay money to hold back, if treatments for both existed at the same cost per extra hour of consciousness in my lifetime.
- glerk 2mo agoObviously, every single one of us needs sleep to survive. But it's a biological chore, not some sacred ritual to be celebrated. Reducing the amount of sleep that we need is worth researching. What is surprising to me is the knee-jerk reaction I see whenever the idea of looking into this is brought up.
- Qem 2mo ago> What is surprising to me is the knee-jerk reaction I see whenever the idea of looking into this is brought up. It's because if it were achieved, likely result would be employers forcing people to take the drug and increasing daily work hours back to 16+.
- glerk 2mo ago> likely result would be employers forcing people to take the drug How so? You can just... refuse? And do you prefer sleeping to working? Doing a job that you hate for 8h and sleeping for 8h is much worse than doing a job that you love for 16h. Something to think about.