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You’re missing the bigger picture concepts of value exchange vs. value extraction and how those magnify power differentials in groups. > I feel no more entitle
by Denzel 2mo ago
You’re missing the bigger picture concepts of value exchange vs. value extraction and how those magnify power differentials in groups.
> I feel no more entitled to exclusive use or credit for my ideas as used by AI
Do you feel you have the right to decide whether to exchange your ideas or not?
> if I had talked to someone at a conference who went on to be influenced by my ideas to do something good after forgetting my name.
Yes, you’ve decided to share that information freely with that person. Do you decide to share every idea or thing you do for free with everyone? Why or why not?
> The prospect of all human ideas accumulating inside a machine that makes these ideas accessible
Right now, this idea of “a machine” is trending towards private ownership — an extractive process that does not incentivize further contribution.
Accessibility is no longer determined by you, you don’t have a decision point on the production side (deciding whether to share) nor the consumption side (guaranteeing access). We might even say your rights have been reduced.
It should be obvious to see how a healthy society is built upon value _exchange_ over _extraction_. Extraction typically leads to destruction… by definition.
- jimmaswell 2mo ago> Do you feel you have the right to decide whether to exchange your ideas or not? If I've said something around someone else or posted it online, then I don't feel I have a right to someone's use of that information, no. > Yes, you’ve decided to share that information freely with that person. And you decided to make this post on a forum that an AI is certainly scraping as we speak. If you don't want anyone or anything to "extract" your ideas then don't express them. We never would have left the caves if everyone had that mindset, but it's your right. You keep saying "extraction" as if something is taken from you whenever a machine learns from you, but it's not a zero-sum situation. Scenario A: Alex tells Sam that PHP 8 has added union types. The world gains 1 point of value because Sam has gained 1 point of value. Scenario B: Alex tells Sam that PHP 8 has added union types, and a robot overhears it and tells 10 people. The world has gained 11 points of value. I truly don't understand preferring scenario A.