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This article is repeating a transparently false framing as the truth. This wasn't a law about cartel money laundering, which doesn't happen near the border any

by ajross 2mo ago

This article is repeating a transparently false framing as the truth. This wasn't a law about cartel money laundering, which doesn't happen near the border anyway. Money laundering at scale happens in the global market and always has. The clear purpose of the regulation was exactly the "side effect" detailed in the article: hurting immigrant communities that maintain ties across the border. And it worked. It does no one any good to pretend otherwise.

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abfan1127 2mo ago
The issue is that it wasn't "clear" to sufficient people. Too many people believe at face value the claims. Some of them honestly believe the face value claims.
- scottLobster 2mo ago
  I'm not sure that more information will help those people. I saw an interview with a Haitian-American restaurant chain owner who voted for Trump and was dismayed that he might have to close a couple of locations due the removal of Temporary Protective Status for Haiti causing him to lose employees. He said that Trump sold him on the idea that "he was a businessman, and would act like a businessman", and that he now regrets his vote. Like, the "eating the cats and dogs" line, specifically targeted at Haitians, wasn't enough for you to think that maybe this guy didn't have your best interest at heart? Also Trump's history as a "businessman" is anything but wildly successful or something to envy. These people will see whatever they want to see until they get hit, so unless you're in a position to provide the hit, or somehow impart discernment that most elementary school kids have, they can only be contained and we should be happy if they pay their taxes and don't vote.
  - watwut 2mo ago
    > Also Trump's history as a "businessman" is anything but wildly successful or something to envy. Maybe we should stop treating these contradictions with Polyanna level of naivety. What is more likely: a.) these people did not seen the obvious contradictions or b.) these people are giving out publicly palatable sympathetic responses. It is all economic vote, except that conservatives were never good for small businesses. What if these people are not as dumb as they pretend to be. What if they are actually attracted to the same thing that makes other men attracted to Trump - the male supremacy ideology and the racism against "not them exactly". The fun ugly part of it. The cruelty against homosexuals and trans. Saying that openly will still makes you look bad, so we get the "we had no idea, this was just economic vote" kind of nonsense.
    - mdp2021 2mo ago
      > What if these people ... What if What if we got proper stats instead of adding slices to the pie chart not knowing how big they are. "What if they were all perverts". Well, that would have been remarkable in the distribution of chances.
      - watwut 2mo ago
        > What if we got proper stats We have plenty of those, we are just ignoring them. > "What if they were all perverts". Well, that would have been remarkable in the distribution of chances. There would be absolutely nothing remarkable about distribution of chances here. It is the most plausible and explanation. It is also completely consistent with all the data we have - including the fact that record of abuse never harms republican politicians. Instead, it raises their credit. It is also consistent with philosophies the leadership openly pushes for.
        mdp2021 2mo ago
        And how can your point be credible with the sweeping generalization and ignoring for the sake of the monothesis e.g. the systemic failures that brought us to this point. I'd start again using quantifiers and a more complexive analysis.
tangamandapio 2mo ago
The belief that all the people you yourselves elected are lying all the time and openly out to get you is such an uniquely Gringo idea it's entirely possible the migrants in this community, like the one showcased in the article, mistakenly took the racists' word at face value. Retrospectively, looking at the various kinds of concentration camps set up all over the country, that might have been a bad choice to make. But that doesn't make it a less reasonable one at the time.
- ratelimitsteve 2mo ago
  in fairness: the people we elected lie a lot and one of them has built a personal army that he uses to fill the concentration camps you allude to.
thinkcontext 2mo ago
Its a particularly galling policy for disproportionately hurting small businesses given the number of money laundering, sanctions avoidance, etc big fish Trump has pardoned, ended investigations and enforcement generally.
- cowboylowrez 2mo ago
  not to mention a certain financial firm cancelling trump on suspicions of HIS money laundering lol

by ajross 2mo ago

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abfan1127 2mo ago

The issue is that it wasn't "clear" to sufficient people. Too many people believe at face value the claims. Some of them honestly believe the face value claims.

scottLobster 2mo ago
I'm not sure that more information will help those people. I saw an interview with a Haitian-American restaurant chain owner who voted for Trump and was dismayed that he might have to close a couple of locations due the removal of Temporary Protective Status for Haiti causing him to lose employees. He said that Trump sold him on the idea that "he was a businessman, and would act like a businessman", and that he now regrets his vote. Like, the "eating the cats and dogs" line, specifically targeted at Haitians, wasn't enough for you to think that maybe this guy didn't have your best interest at heart? Also Trump's history as a "businessman" is anything but wildly successful or something to envy. These people will see whatever they want to see until they get hit, so unless you're in a position to provide the hit, or somehow impart discernment that most elementary school kids have, they can only be contained and we should be happy if they pay their taxes and don't vote.
- watwut 2mo ago
  > Also Trump's history as a "businessman" is anything but wildly successful or something to envy. Maybe we should stop treating these contradictions with Polyanna level of naivety. What is more likely: a.) these people did not seen the obvious contradictions or b.) these people are giving out publicly palatable sympathetic responses. It is all economic vote, except that conservatives were never good for small businesses. What if these people are not as dumb as they pretend to be. What if they are actually attracted to the same thing that makes other men attracted to Trump - the male supremacy ideology and the racism against "not them exactly". The fun ugly part of it. The cruelty against homosexuals and trans. Saying that openly will still makes you look bad, so we get the "we had no idea, this was just economic vote" kind of nonsense.
  - mdp2021 2mo ago
    > What if these people ... What if What if we got proper stats instead of adding slices to the pie chart not knowing how big they are. "What if they were all perverts". Well, that would have been remarkable in the distribution of chances.
    - watwut 2mo ago
      > What if we got proper stats We have plenty of those, we are just ignoring them. > "What if they were all perverts". Well, that would have been remarkable in the distribution of chances. There would be absolutely nothing remarkable about distribution of chances here. It is the most plausible and explanation. It is also completely consistent with all the data we have - including the fact that record of abuse never harms republican politicians. Instead, it raises their credit. It is also consistent with philosophies the leadership openly pushes for.
      - mdp2021 2mo ago
        And how can your point be credible with the sweeping generalization and ignoring for the sake of the monothesis e.g. the systemic failures that brought us to this point. I'd start again using quantifiers and a more complexive analysis.

tangamandapio 2mo ago

The belief that all the people you yourselves elected are lying all the time and openly out to get you is such an uniquely Gringo idea it's entirely possible the migrants in this community, like the one showcased in the article, mistakenly took the racists' word at face value. Retrospectively, looking at the various kinds of concentration camps set up all over the country, that might have been a bad choice to make. But that doesn't make it a less reasonable one at the time.

ratelimitsteve 2mo ago
in fairness: the people we elected lie a lot and one of them has built a personal army that he uses to fill the concentration camps you allude to.

thinkcontext 2mo ago

Its a particularly galling policy for disproportionately hurting small businesses given the number of money laundering, sanctions avoidance, etc big fish Trump has pardoned, ended investigations and enforcement generally.

cowboylowrez 2mo ago
not to mention a certain financial firm cancelling trump on suspicions of HIS money laundering lol