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This proves that OpenAI models reason in grug speak to save tokens! I wonder if open models are going to start doing that too to save on reasoning tokens.
by iamcoder18 2mo ago
This proves that OpenAI models reason in grug speak to save tokens! I wonder if open models are going to start doing that too to save on reasoning tokens.
- kgeist 2mo agoIn the BlackHat presentation on the HuggingFace incident, OpenAI showed some excerpts from the reasoning traces, and they had that grug speak too (skipped articles, etc.). So the OP's method must have indeed found the actual reasoning traces.
- gaigalas 2mo agoMuse clearly does it to some extent. Saw a lot of that running Glimmer locally.
- lukewarm707 2mo agotheir gpt-oss models do the same. i don't use closed models so i never thought much about it.
- wren6991 2mo ago> I wonder if open models are going to start doing that too Yes, some of them do do that. For example Moonshot tried to reward shorter reasoning traces in between Kimi-K2.6 and Kimi-K2.7 Code, and the latter has a mild caveman accent in its reasoning traces that the former lacks. Qwen3.8-Max also has terse reasoning, but I don't remember this being the case for Qwen3.6 models I ran locally.