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Then don't use Claude Code. Just yet another reason to use an open source harness instead of a closed harness.

by rvz 2mo ago

itsmeduncan 2mo ago
Agreed, and run your own inference too. Open source/weight models are getting so great.
- anotherboffin 2mo ago
  Any good pointers on how/where to get started?
pixelatedindex 2mo ago
This comment implies that Claude Code is a harness, but as an AI newbie I don’t think that’s a harness? If anything it’s just a sandbox, right?
- simonw 2mo ago
  Claude Code is definitely a harness. The term harness is pretty loosely defined, but it effectively means the software that wraps an LLM, asks the LLM what tools it should execute, then executes those tools. I wouldn't classify Claude Code as a sandbox, though it does have some sandbox features built in, using https://github.com/anthropic-experimental/sandbox-runtime https://github.com/anthropic-experimental/sandbox-runtime (which I would classify as a sandbox)
- jaapz 2mo ago
  It is a harness, it provides tools for the model to do their job (coding).
simonw 2mo ago
I don't see how an open source harness would prevent a case where the model tells it to run: curl -A "me@example.com" https://example.com
- uberman 2mo ago
  Opus once recommended such a thing to me and it was no secret. I used it as after thinking about it, I concluded it was not reasonable. I can see why someone might not like that though. I left it as "my" email but there is also no reason I could not have used "your email" here so I'm not sure what the fuss is.
- cautiouscat 2mo ago
  A FOSS harness wouldn't have your email in the first place.
  - simonw 2mo ago
    It would if you shared it with that harness, or left it in a file or environment variable to that agent. Claude Code does seem to know my email address by default though: claude -p \ --setting-sources "" \ --tools "" \ -- \ "What is my email address?"
    - cautiouscat 2mo ago
      Correct, but Claude literally pulls it from your account info, without you telling it. I know this because I've seen it say "your account email is <email>" and I use a unique email per account and guess what, it was my Claude one!

Then don't use Claude Code. Just yet another reason to use an open source harness instead of a closed harness.

by rvz 2mo ago

Then don't use Claude Code. Just yet another reason to use an open source harness instead of a closed harness.

itsmeduncan 2mo ago

Agreed, and run your own inference too. Open source/weight models are getting so great.

anotherboffin 2mo ago
Any good pointers on how/where to get started?

pixelatedindex 2mo ago

This comment implies that Claude Code is a harness, but as an AI newbie I don’t think that’s a harness? If anything it’s just a sandbox, right?

simonw 2mo ago
Claude Code is definitely a harness. The term harness is pretty loosely defined, but it effectively means the software that wraps an LLM, asks the LLM what tools it should execute, then executes those tools. I wouldn't classify Claude Code as a sandbox, though it does have some sandbox features built in, using https://github.com/anthropic-experimental/sandbox-runtime https://github.com/anthropic-experimental/sandbox-runtime (which I would classify as a sandbox)
jaapz 2mo ago
It is a harness, it provides tools for the model to do their job (coding).

simonw 2mo ago

I don't see how an open source harness would prevent a case where the model tells it to run: curl -A "me@example.com" https://example.com

uberman 2mo ago
Opus once recommended such a thing to me and it was no secret. I used it as after thinking about it, I concluded it was not reasonable. I can see why someone might not like that though. I left it as "my" email but there is also no reason I could not have used "your email" here so I'm not sure what the fuss is.
cautiouscat 2mo ago
A FOSS harness wouldn't have your email in the first place.
- simonw 2mo ago
  It would if you shared it with that harness, or left it in a file or environment variable to that agent. Claude Code does seem to know my email address by default though: claude -p \ --setting-sources "" \ --tools "" \ -- \ "What is my email address?"
  - cautiouscat 2mo ago
    Correct, but Claude literally pulls it from your account info, without you telling it. I know this because I've seen it say "your account email is <email>" and I use a unique email per account and guess what, it was my Claude one!