> They join with idealism and probably don't get very far in terms of real impact. I can't disagree with that, reminds me of the quote from the movie Rounders:

> They join with idealism and probably don't get very far in terms of real impact. I can't disagree with that, reminds me of the quote from the movie Rounders: If you've been at the table for 30 minutes and you don't know who the sucker is, you ARE the sucker.