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"Eco-wise" the infrastructure to build and deploy solar and wind, including batteries & storage, is substantially far more un-environmentally friendly than the

"Eco-wise" the infrastructure to build and deploy solar and wind, including batteries & storage, is substantially far more un-environmentally friendly than the other main options that are environmentally friendly, which are nuclear and hydrogen. On almost any measure, nuclear power and hydrogen (which can be produced cheaply at off-peak times for vehicles) are the two key power sources we should be investing far more in, rather than the current damaging technologies being deployed on increasingly vast scales with little thought to the real environmental damage being created.

bcoates 14y ago
Does hydrogen have anything to offer over synthetic petroleum as a vehicle fuel?
- nekojima 14y ago
  Hydrogen can be produced from nuclear, as well as hydro power. If produced in off-peak times (at late night) in bulk it can be efficiently produced and then distributed to filling stations. With at-home production units the distribution system can be largely removed at the expense of slightly higher per unit cost and less efficiency than bulk. Synthetic petroleum is produced from coal, oil and natural gas, carbon energy sources that don't help reduce environmental footprint.
  - danielweber 14y ago
    You can make gasoline out of nuclear power, too, from atmospheric carbon dioxide. Last I looked, a hydrogen fuel cycle was slightly more efficient than a gasoline fuel cycle. But it's a lot easier to handle gasoline than hydrogen. We already have the equipment to move and store gasoline all over the country, no cryogenics needed. (I say "gasoline" but things like methanol are also suitable.)
    - nekojima 14y ago
      Wouldn't those sources of gasoline from atmospheric carbon dioxide still produce carbon emissions? While hydrogen used as a transportation fuel produces water.
      - brazzy 14y ago
        > Wouldn't those sources of gasoline from atmospheric carbon dioxide still produce carbon emissions? Sure - exactly as much carbon dioxide, in fact, as was removed from the atmosphere when the fuel was produced.
        danielweber 14y ago
        Exactly. It's just as carbon neutral as hydrogen produced by electrolysis.

bcoates 14y ago

Does hydrogen have anything to offer over synthetic petroleum as a vehicle fuel?

nekojima 14y ago
Hydrogen can be produced from nuclear, as well as hydro power. If produced in off-peak times (at late night) in bulk it can be efficiently produced and then distributed to filling stations. With at-home production units the distribution system can be largely removed at the expense of slightly higher per unit cost and less efficiency than bulk. Synthetic petroleum is produced from coal, oil and natural gas, carbon energy sources that don't help reduce environmental footprint.
- danielweber 14y ago
  You can make gasoline out of nuclear power, too, from atmospheric carbon dioxide. Last I looked, a hydrogen fuel cycle was slightly more efficient than a gasoline fuel cycle. But it's a lot easier to handle gasoline than hydrogen. We already have the equipment to move and store gasoline all over the country, no cryogenics needed. (I say "gasoline" but things like methanol are also suitable.)
  - nekojima 14y ago
    Wouldn't those sources of gasoline from atmospheric carbon dioxide still produce carbon emissions? While hydrogen used as a transportation fuel produces water.
    - brazzy 14y ago
      > Wouldn't those sources of gasoline from atmospheric carbon dioxide still produce carbon emissions? Sure - exactly as much carbon dioxide, in fact, as was removed from the atmosphere when the fuel was produced.
      - danielweber 14y ago
        Exactly. It's just as carbon neutral as hydrogen produced by electrolysis.