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I literally said that.

nixon_why69 2mo ago
You said "there are homeless people everywhere", which is technically true but omits quantity, and especially quantity compared to wealth. I'm not as positive as you are about what makes California (and Seattle) create/attract so many, but it's definitely an outlier compared to "everywhere".
- ltbarcly3 2mo ago
  Yes, if you didn't understand my point: there are homeless people in every society, but most do not have as many as silicon valley because they pressure them into accepting the help necessary to restore their ability to make rational decisions. Rational people do not choose to live outside on the sidewalk like rats, people who are drug addicted and who have untreated mental illness do.
  - nixon_why69 2mo ago
    I'd just be really skeptical of thinking I have the true understanding and solution to this issue. Like, do you know many addicts or seriously mentally ill? Have you tried pressuring them into being better? How did it work out?
  - amanaplanacanal 2mo ago
    All it takes to be homeless is not being able to afford housing, drugs or mental illness are not required. You really think all it takes is "choosing" and housing will appear for you?
    - dgellow 2mo ago
      Also, drug consumption and mental disorders is very often a result of being homeless. Try having bad sleep in your comfortable home for a few days in a row and see how quickly your mental stability deteriorates and how many bad decisions you start to take (anyone who has insomnia periods will attest)
      - ltbarcly3 2mo ago
        This is not substantiated by data or even a plausible theory. The kinds of mental disorders that lead to homelessness are not something you can "catch" from your environment.
        dgellow 2mo ago
        You mean like PTSD? Something that is literally a result of your environment?
        ltbarcly3 2mo ago
        I can't find a clear argument from data to dispute what your point, which is good and very plausible, but I also can't find one to substantiate it. What I can say is that most likely homeless women are subject at higher rates to the types of assaults that are more likely to cause PTSD, presumably this would also include transgender MtF and similar groups. For male homeless people the data does not substantiate high enough rates of being exposed the the types of experiences more likely to cause PTSD. However, female and intersex/trans people are a very small percent of the homeless population. So while PTSD is statistically plausible within that sub-group, we are now taking a moderate percentage that would get PTSD from exposure to a potentially triggering event (say 15%), with a small percentage exposed to that event, among a very small percent of homeless people overall. Just giving this the highest numbers I can substantiate in your favor, it would produce 1.2% to 1.5% of the overall homeless population developing PTSD from triggers that are statistically due to homelessness PER YEAR (aka you can be raped if you have a home, but you are more likely to be raped if you do not have a home). This would accumulate to 4-6% out of about 25-50% prevalence of the PTSD cases found in homeless people. This is significant, so your theory is plausible given the available data. However it would still mean that PTSD is 5-10 times more likely to cause homelessness, overwhelmingly due it's contribution to rates of hard drug addiction, than it is to be caused BY homelessness.
- esseph 2mo ago
  I'm not as positive as you are about what makes California (and Seattle) create/attract The weather is pretty nice, much more stable than in the east coast.

You said "there are homeless people everywhere", which is technically true but omits quantity, and especially quantity compared to wealth. I'm not as positive as you are about what makes California (and Seattle) create/attract so many, but it's definitely an outlier compared to "everywhere".

ltbarcly3 2mo ago
Yes, if you didn't understand my point: there are homeless people in every society, but most do not have as many as silicon valley because they pressure them into accepting the help necessary to restore their ability to make rational decisions. Rational people do not choose to live outside on the sidewalk like rats, people who are drug addicted and who have untreated mental illness do.
- nixon_why69 2mo ago
  I'd just be really skeptical of thinking I have the true understanding and solution to this issue. Like, do you know many addicts or seriously mentally ill? Have you tried pressuring them into being better? How did it work out?
- amanaplanacanal 2mo ago
  All it takes to be homeless is not being able to afford housing, drugs or mental illness are not required. You really think all it takes is "choosing" and housing will appear for you?
  - dgellow 2mo ago
    Also, drug consumption and mental disorders is very often a result of being homeless. Try having bad sleep in your comfortable home for a few days in a row and see how quickly your mental stability deteriorates and how many bad decisions you start to take (anyone who has insomnia periods will attest)
    - ltbarcly3 2mo ago
      This is not substantiated by data or even a plausible theory. The kinds of mental disorders that lead to homelessness are not something you can "catch" from your environment.
      - dgellow 2mo ago
        You mean like PTSD? Something that is literally a result of your environment?
        ltbarcly3 2mo ago
        I can't find a clear argument from data to dispute what your point, which is good and very plausible, but I also can't find one to substantiate it. What I can say is that most likely homeless women are subject at higher rates to the types of assaults that are more likely to cause PTSD, presumably this would also include transgender MtF and similar groups. For male homeless people the data does not substantiate high enough rates of being exposed the the types of experiences more likely to cause PTSD. However, female and intersex/trans people are a very small percent of the homeless population. So while PTSD is statistically plausible within that sub-group, we are now taking a moderate percentage that would get PTSD from exposure to a potentially triggering event (say 15%), with a small percentage exposed to that event, among a very small percent of homeless people overall. Just giving this the highest numbers I can substantiate in your favor, it would produce 1.2% to 1.5% of the overall homeless population developing PTSD from triggers that are statistically due to homelessness PER YEAR (aka you can be raped if you have a home, but you are more likely to be raped if you do not have a home). This would accumulate to 4-6% out of about 25-50% prevalence of the PTSD cases found in homeless people. This is significant, so your theory is plausible given the available data. However it would still mean that PTSD is 5-10 times more likely to cause homelessness, overwhelmingly due it's contribution to rates of hard drug addiction, than it is to be caused BY homelessness.
esseph 2mo ago
I'm not as positive as you are about what makes California (and Seattle) create/attract The weather is pretty nice, much more stable than in the east coast.