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Wouldn't be a authentic pjmlp comment unless they shit on C/C++ and/or praise Java/.NET with a bunch of straw-men :)

pjmlp 2mo ago
How wrong you are, C++ isn't in the same league as C, Microsoft was right not wanting to keep updating their C support. It was already outdated by the time Borland released Turbo C++ 1.0 for MS-DOS, and only got new wind thanks to GNU FOSS and their manifest to prefer C as the main compiled language for GNU projects. Everywhere else outside UNIX, was going with a mix of C++ for OS frameworks, Apple, Microsoft, IBM, Be, Nokia, Epoch,.... Naturally given the option, between C, C++ and something else I might prefer that something else, however I managed a few interesting positions exactly due to my C++ skills, and interests. So don't mix my preferences for C and C++ on the same basket.
- embedding-shape 2mo ago
  Wouldn't trade it for anything <3 Enjoy your Tuesday mate :) > So don't mix my preferences for C and C++ on the same basket. That mistake is mine indeed, I'll remember. Thanks, and I hope "no harm meant" was implicit :)
  - gchamonlive 2mo ago
    > Wouldn't be a authentic pjmlp comment unless... > and I hope "no harm meant" was implicit :) Ad hominen then an apology, mixed signals here or I'm missing something. Maybe sarcasm?
    - throwlifeaway 2mo ago
      > Ad hominen then an apology, mixed signals here or I'm missing something. Maybe sarcasm? You can express annoyance at someone's pattern of behavior without it being personal. embedding-shape isn't the only person annoyed by pjmlp's repeated disdain and snark towards people who use C (or Zig or WebAssembly or Rust or...).
      - gchamonlive 2mo ago
        I didn't see snark prior to being provoked, but this seems like a discussion with history beyond this scope so I think I'd better sit this out
      - pjmlp 2mo ago
        Usually I reply in the same tone as I get talked with, I have no qualms with touchy feeling culture of modern times.
        gchamonlive 2mo ago
        That explains the escalations
        throwlifeaway 2mo ago
        > Usually I reply in the same tone as I get talked with No, you're usually the initiator. Usually it's with some off-hand quip about how C programmers don't understand C, or how the people designing WebAssembly are ignorant of COM or the JVM, or how Zig is just Modula-2, etc. Most threads you participate in aren't filled with snark until you enter them.
        pjmlp 2mo ago
        You can chose no to reply, you do reply, I answer in the appropriate tone.
    - embedding-shape 2mo ago
      Yeah, original/parent comment I wrote with a twinkle in my eye (hard to communicate though), hoping that the smiley at the end conveyed it, but I might have replaced ; with : mistakenly. I think many of us throughout the years been reading pjmlp's comments which fits a certain "theme". I don't mind though, it's just text after all, but was hard to keep myself from entering the meta-conversation when the opportunity just sat there. I still don't mean no harm by it, we all have our less agreeable ways of writing our comments, I'm surely guilty of it in some way too.
      - gchamonlive 2mo ago
        I understand now this is old gripe, and we are all to blame for this guilty pleasure I think :)

pjmlp 2mo ago

How wrong you are, C++ isn't in the same league as C, Microsoft was right not wanting to keep updating their C support. It was already outdated by the time Borland released Turbo C++ 1.0 for MS-DOS, and only got new wind thanks to GNU FOSS and their manifest to prefer C as the main compiled language for GNU projects. Everywhere else outside UNIX, was going with a mix of C++ for OS frameworks, Apple, Microsoft, IBM, Be, Nokia, Epoch,.... Naturally given the option, between C, C++ and something else I might prefer that something else, however I managed a few interesting positions exactly due to my C++ skills, and interests. So don't mix my preferences for C and C++ on the same basket.

embedding-shape 2mo ago
Wouldn't trade it for anything <3 Enjoy your Tuesday mate :) > So don't mix my preferences for C and C++ on the same basket. That mistake is mine indeed, I'll remember. Thanks, and I hope "no harm meant" was implicit :)
- gchamonlive 2mo ago
  > Wouldn't be a authentic pjmlp comment unless... > and I hope "no harm meant" was implicit :) Ad hominen then an apology, mixed signals here or I'm missing something. Maybe sarcasm?
  - throwlifeaway 2mo ago
    > Ad hominen then an apology, mixed signals here or I'm missing something. Maybe sarcasm? You can express annoyance at someone's pattern of behavior without it being personal. embedding-shape isn't the only person annoyed by pjmlp's repeated disdain and snark towards people who use C (or Zig or WebAssembly or Rust or...).
    - gchamonlive 2mo ago
      I didn't see snark prior to being provoked, but this seems like a discussion with history beyond this scope so I think I'd better sit this out
    - pjmlp 2mo ago
      Usually I reply in the same tone as I get talked with, I have no qualms with touchy feeling culture of modern times.
      - gchamonlive 2mo ago
        That explains the escalations
      - throwlifeaway 2mo ago
        > Usually I reply in the same tone as I get talked with No, you're usually the initiator. Usually it's with some off-hand quip about how C programmers don't understand C, or how the people designing WebAssembly are ignorant of COM or the JVM, or how Zig is just Modula-2, etc. Most threads you participate in aren't filled with snark until you enter them.
        pjmlp 2mo ago
        You can chose no to reply, you do reply, I answer in the appropriate tone.
  - embedding-shape 2mo ago
    Yeah, original/parent comment I wrote with a twinkle in my eye (hard to communicate though), hoping that the smiley at the end conveyed it, but I might have replaced ; with : mistakenly. I think many of us throughout the years been reading pjmlp's comments which fits a certain "theme". I don't mind though, it's just text after all, but was hard to keep myself from entering the meta-conversation when the opportunity just sat there. I still don't mean no harm by it, we all have our less agreeable ways of writing our comments, I'm surely guilty of it in some way too.
    - gchamonlive 2mo ago
      I understand now this is old gripe, and we are all to blame for this guilty pleasure I think :)