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More than a facilitator of theft, LLMs are the tragedy of the commons at industrial scale. The public internet is dead, the future is private invite-only walle

by sph 2mo ago

More than a facilitator of theft, LLMs are the tragedy of the commons at industrial scale. The public internet is dead, the future is private invite-only walled gardens. Corporations love a walled garden, what we need is open-source frameworks to create these islands, rather than defaulting to horrible systems like Discord and Twitter-clones.

zelphirkalt 2mo ago
To understand your comment correctly: What does "these islands" refer to? Walled gardens that we create ourselves using the open source frameworks?
- sph 2mo ago
  It's still a work in progress of an idea. I'm thinking more like mesh networks. I spoke of Reticulum elsewhere in this thread, but here I'm thinking I'd like the ability to easily join multiple TCP/IP networks (islands of connectivity) by social group (my friends) or by interest (pirate file-sharing group, my work intranet, a knitting community with their own IRC server, FTP, etc.). Basically easy-to-use private & encrypted LAN overlays on top of the public internet. Each operator decides who to allow in or kick out of the network. Wireguard solves the most of technical challenges, but it needs a frontend. The biggest concern probably is most software broadcasts their stuff across all interfaces, defeating the point of isolation between networks.
  - inigyou 2mo ago
    The purpose of The Inter-Network, or internet for short, was to connect together precisely these "multiple networks" that you refer to. It's failed because of CGNAT, but come back because of IPv6.
    - sph 2mo ago
      Thanks but I am talking about the complete opposite of connecting multiple networks together. I’m not sure why we’re talking past each other. CGNAT has nothing to do with the public web dying because it’s both too large, too spammy and too juicy a target for mass surveillance.
- rcxdude 2mo ago
  I think probably things along the lines of what's been called the 'cozy web': networks of smaller groups that don't publish to or expect responses from effectively the entire internet as a whole. (This kind of thing has always existed, it's basically the group chat with your friends but perhaps slightly bigger, but I think there's a bit of a trend of focusing on it more because of the feeling that the twitter/facebook attention and feed model is bad for your mental health. I've always felt the twitter model especially was pretty cursed so I'm glad there's some agreement building there).
  - vee-kay 2mo ago
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by sph 2mo ago

zelphirkalt 2mo ago

To understand your comment correctly: What does "these islands" refer to? Walled gardens that we create ourselves using the open source frameworks?

sph 2mo ago
It's still a work in progress of an idea. I'm thinking more like mesh networks. I spoke of Reticulum elsewhere in this thread, but here I'm thinking I'd like the ability to easily join multiple TCP/IP networks (islands of connectivity) by social group (my friends) or by interest (pirate file-sharing group, my work intranet, a knitting community with their own IRC server, FTP, etc.). Basically easy-to-use private & encrypted LAN overlays on top of the public internet. Each operator decides who to allow in or kick out of the network. Wireguard solves the most of technical challenges, but it needs a frontend. The biggest concern probably is most software broadcasts their stuff across all interfaces, defeating the point of isolation between networks.
- inigyou 2mo ago
  The purpose of The Inter-Network, or internet for short, was to connect together precisely these "multiple networks" that you refer to. It's failed because of CGNAT, but come back because of IPv6.
  - sph 2mo ago
    Thanks but I am talking about the complete opposite of connecting multiple networks together. I’m not sure why we’re talking past each other. CGNAT has nothing to do with the public web dying because it’s both too large, too spammy and too juicy a target for mass surveillance.
rcxdude 2mo ago
I think probably things along the lines of what's been called the 'cozy web': networks of smaller groups that don't publish to or expect responses from effectively the entire internet as a whole. (This kind of thing has always existed, it's basically the group chat with your friends but perhaps slightly bigger, but I think there's a bit of a trend of focusing on it more because of the feeling that the twitter/facebook attention and feed model is bad for your mental health. I've always felt the twitter model especially was pretty cursed so I'm glad there's some agreement building there).
- vee-kay 2mo ago
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