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Always makes me chuckle when brits believe their law enforcement is anywhere near as toxic and corrupt as america’s.

akimbostrawman 2mo ago
I think getting arrested over online posts, buying a baseball bat or butter knife while they refuse medical aid to a victim that is bleeding out because the foreign attacker with the open carry bloody ritual knife called them racist, could be called "toxic". Not even mentioning there part in covering up grooming gangs on national level for being political inconvenient.
- testfrequency 2mo ago
  You know, I really wanted to say in my original comment I guarantee someone will bring up grooming gangs - and sure enough. Now imagine grooming gangs, in addition to police shooting and killing civilians, on top of political corruption going unchecked, police stalking, in addition to every other terrible thing you could imagine. The UK isn’t perfect, but the never ending sentiment that it’s the worst in the world because there’s an issue with grooming (which is an issue nearly everywhere sadly) is foolish. Brits have such high standards that you don’t even realise how much of a privilege it is to be annoyed about only a small handful of systemic global issues. You’re not afraid to walk to your local for a pint and be shot in the head by a cop or kidnapped I suppose, right?
  - akimbostrawman 2mo ago
    >in addition to police shooting and killing civilians If you look at actual statistics you know why it keeps happening. The chance to be shot if you don't act or live like them is miniscule. >You’re not afraid to walk to your local for a pint and be shot in the head by a cop I suppose, right? No "just" scared to open my mouth or defend myself or family with the little to none legal weaponary left that still exists from foreign attackers imported against our will which are excluded from such laws.
    - testfrequency 2mo ago
      Where in the world is your ideal country, that is doing everything right. Genuinely curious as it sounds like you want accessible weapons + unfiltered reach of speech with no side effects.
      - dawn3727 2mo ago
        Come to China; it is recognized worldwide as one of the safest countries.
        testfrequency 2mo ago
        Safety is one topic, but this person is also discussing censorship and corruption. As much as I like visiting China for leisure, I could personally never live there. I agree the healthcare and safety are great in China though. It’s the same reasons I could never live in places like Dubai or Singapore. Safety is not a #1 priority for me in the places I choose to live.
        dawn3727 2mo ago
        What do you consider to be the most important factors regarding where you live?
        inigyou 2mo ago
        Also highest quality of life, most technological progress, least corrupt government (executing people caught doing corruption helps with that). Main bad thing is you can't criticise the government or vote.
        andsoitis 2mo ago
        > Also highest quality of life, most technological progress, least corrupt government (executing people caught doing corruption helps with that). Main bad thing is you can't criticise the government or vote. Where does it stand against other countries with respect to happiness?
- KaiserPro 2mo ago
  > I think getting arrested over online posts Online posts for _what_ though? > buying a baseball bat or butter knife Those are weapons, so long as you have a legitimate use for them, jobs a goodun. But more importanly anything in common law is a weapon. Same for the USA. but the difference is, most of the time you're shot, rather than beaten with a stick. > refuse medical aid to a victim that is bleeding out because the foreign attacker with the open carry bloody ritual knife called them racist Ah so you didn't actually look at the case then. The victim was foreign, not the attacker (Harry was polish, not english). Also when two people come to you saying that "that man over there attacked me" and have a whole crowd of people saying the same thing, you arrest the person. Now, if you look at the timeline as soon as the police realise he's been stabbed, they give first aid. Of all the cases to bring up, thats kinda the weakest. tragic, but not a signal of systemic failure. especially considering the number of deaths caused by cops in the USA. and that cops have qualified immunity, unlike in the UK. NOW! the grooming gangs are interesting, and point to Manchester police being corrupt little shits that they are. The problem is we only hear about the brown gangs. Not the other ones. at the time there used to be a whole string of nonces that would drive thier nackered ford escorts up to the school gates to pick up some 14 year olds. The working class girls would go missing, or suddenly get into drugs. It would be their fault. If you want the actual data, the Jay, Berelowitz and ann coffey reports all lay out the failings there. Now I'm less worried about the grooming gangs as I am about the general lack of empathy for the working class victims. The warped lens of "oh it was the $racial_group" that "did" it misses the main point is that girls were industrially exploited, and have been repeatedly ignored as they are "shouty little brats". Regardless of the abuser.

I think getting arrested over online posts, buying a baseball bat or butter knife while they refuse medical aid to a victim that is bleeding out because the foreign attacker with the open carry bloody ritual knife called them racist, could be called "toxic". Not even mentioning there part in covering up grooming gangs on national level for being political inconvenient.

testfrequency 2mo ago
You know, I really wanted to say in my original comment I guarantee someone will bring up grooming gangs - and sure enough. Now imagine grooming gangs, in addition to police shooting and killing civilians, on top of political corruption going unchecked, police stalking, in addition to every other terrible thing you could imagine. The UK isn’t perfect, but the never ending sentiment that it’s the worst in the world because there’s an issue with grooming (which is an issue nearly everywhere sadly) is foolish. Brits have such high standards that you don’t even realise how much of a privilege it is to be annoyed about only a small handful of systemic global issues. You’re not afraid to walk to your local for a pint and be shot in the head by a cop or kidnapped I suppose, right?
- akimbostrawman 2mo ago
  >in addition to police shooting and killing civilians If you look at actual statistics you know why it keeps happening. The chance to be shot if you don't act or live like them is miniscule. >You’re not afraid to walk to your local for a pint and be shot in the head by a cop I suppose, right? No "just" scared to open my mouth or defend myself or family with the little to none legal weaponary left that still exists from foreign attackers imported against our will which are excluded from such laws.
  - testfrequency 2mo ago
    Where in the world is your ideal country, that is doing everything right. Genuinely curious as it sounds like you want accessible weapons + unfiltered reach of speech with no side effects.
    - dawn3727 2mo ago
      Come to China; it is recognized worldwide as one of the safest countries.
      - testfrequency 2mo ago
        Safety is one topic, but this person is also discussing censorship and corruption. As much as I like visiting China for leisure, I could personally never live there. I agree the healthcare and safety are great in China though. It’s the same reasons I could never live in places like Dubai or Singapore. Safety is not a #1 priority for me in the places I choose to live.
        dawn3727 2mo ago
        What do you consider to be the most important factors regarding where you live?
      - inigyou 2mo ago
        Also highest quality of life, most technological progress, least corrupt government (executing people caught doing corruption helps with that). Main bad thing is you can't criticise the government or vote.
        andsoitis 2mo ago
        > Also highest quality of life, most technological progress, least corrupt government (executing people caught doing corruption helps with that). Main bad thing is you can't criticise the government or vote. Where does it stand against other countries with respect to happiness?
KaiserPro 2mo ago
> I think getting arrested over online posts Online posts for _what_ though? > buying a baseball bat or butter knife Those are weapons, so long as you have a legitimate use for them, jobs a goodun. But more importanly anything in common law is a weapon. Same for the USA. but the difference is, most of the time you're shot, rather than beaten with a stick. > refuse medical aid to a victim that is bleeding out because the foreign attacker with the open carry bloody ritual knife called them racist Ah so you didn't actually look at the case then. The victim was foreign, not the attacker (Harry was polish, not english). Also when two people come to you saying that "that man over there attacked me" and have a whole crowd of people saying the same thing, you arrest the person. Now, if you look at the timeline as soon as the police realise he's been stabbed, they give first aid. Of all the cases to bring up, thats kinda the weakest. tragic, but not a signal of systemic failure. especially considering the number of deaths caused by cops in the USA. and that cops have qualified immunity, unlike in the UK. NOW! the grooming gangs are interesting, and point to Manchester police being corrupt little shits that they are. The problem is we only hear about the brown gangs. Not the other ones. at the time there used to be a whole string of nonces that would drive thier nackered ford escorts up to the school gates to pick up some 14 year olds. The working class girls would go missing, or suddenly get into drugs. It would be their fault. If you want the actual data, the Jay, Berelowitz and ann coffey reports all lay out the failings there. Now I'm less worried about the grooming gangs as I am about the general lack of empathy for the working class victims. The warped lens of "oh it was the $racial_group" that "did" it misses the main point is that girls were industrially exploited, and have been repeatedly ignored as they are "shouty little brats". Regardless of the abuser.