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Immigration policy by the US is, and has been for the past 200 years, determined by populist racial attitudes.

mynameishere 18y ago
http://www.npg.org/facts/us_imm_decade.htm http://www.npg.org/facts/us_imm_decade.htm [<--illegals are not included] Around 1900 most of the immigrants came from Europe. Increasingly, this was Eastern and Southern Europe. Resistance started increasing, at one extreme by the KKK, but in a general sense throughout the population. Policies changed, the depression hit, and it dropped. 1965 came and the closet Marxists were in charge. Ted Kennedy sponsored new legislation: "Out of deference to the critics, I want to comment on … what the bill will not do. First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same … Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset … Contrary to the charges in some quarters, S.500 will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and economically deprived nations of Africa and Asia. In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think. Thirdly, the bill will not permit the entry of subversive persons, criminals, illiterates, or those with contagious disease or serious mental illness. As I noted a moment ago, no immigrant visa will be issued to a person who is likely to become a public charge … the charges I have mentioned are highly emotional, irrational, and with little foundation in fact. They are out of line with the obligations of responsible citizenship. They breed hate of our heritage."(Senate Part 1, Book 1, pp. 1-3) If a Senator mentioned the importance of ethnic mix today, he'd be strung up by his balls. But even Teddy did it in 1965--things have changed utterly. At any rate, every single word was a total falsehood. The above quote has the greatest concentration of mendacity that I've ever read. Look at the numbers in the link above. The United States is being turned into a different country, a Latin American country, an Asian country, an African country all at once, many, many times faster than it turned European after 1492. Obviously, some people have reason to be happy about this, but drop the bullshit. Policy is not guided by "populist racial attitudes". If it was, the immigration level would be NEGATIVE six million/decade. Numbers don't lie.
- chiffonade 18y ago
  > some people have reason to be happy about this Obviously not you, LOL.
- danteembermage 18y ago
  "Look at the numbers in the link above. The United States is being turned into a different country, a Latin American country, an Asian country, an African country all at once, many, many times faster than it turned European after 1492." I think the appropriate metric for measuring becoming a different country where different is defined as dissimilar along arbitrarily racial lines is to use percentage change in ethnic mix due to immigration per year. In other word, if you deflate the raw numbers in your table by the total population of the United States at the time, you get really low numbers for the last sixty years relative to their historical averages. Basically think "what's the chance my neighbor is a first generation American?" and you get much lower probabilities today than you would through most of American history. Some people have reason to be happy about this.
  - chiffonade 18y ago
    In other words, by simply ignoring out of existence the non-white population of the US before 1965 (which is what white people loved to do back then), you can make it look like the country went through a rapid transformation and is rapidly being taken over, when in fact the minority population has always been there.
- Xichekolas 18y ago
  Since when does the color and provenance of the people define the United States as a country? I thought it was our freedoms and ideals... silly me.
- biohacker42 18y ago
  Look at the numbers in the link above. The United States is being turned into a different country You do realize that's happened before right? More then once in fact. Obviously there was the Indian to English transition. Then the Irish. And at one point so many Germans immigrated that the majority of Americans changed from being of English descent, to being of German descent. Towns in the American heartland were German speaking well into the 1950s. So yeah, the Unit States just keeps turning into a different country, again, and again.

http://www.npg.org/facts/us_imm_decade.htm http://www.npg.org/facts/us_imm_decade.htm [<--illegals are not included] Around 1900 most of the immigrants came from Europe. Increasingly, this was Eastern and Southern Europe. Resistance started increasing, at one extreme by the KKK, but in a general sense throughout the population. Policies changed, the depression hit, and it dropped. 1965 came and the closet Marxists were in charge. Ted Kennedy sponsored new legislation: "Out of deference to the critics, I want to comment on … what the bill will not do. First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same … Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset … Contrary to the charges in some quarters, S.500 will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and economically deprived nations of Africa and Asia. In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think. Thirdly, the bill will not permit the entry of subversive persons, criminals, illiterates, or those with contagious disease or serious mental illness. As I noted a moment ago, no immigrant visa will be issued to a person who is likely to become a public charge … the charges I have mentioned are highly emotional, irrational, and with little foundation in fact. They are out of line with the obligations of responsible citizenship. They breed hate of our heritage."(Senate Part 1, Book 1, pp. 1-3) If a Senator mentioned the importance of ethnic mix today, he'd be strung up by his balls. But even Teddy did it in 1965--things have changed utterly. At any rate, every single word was a total falsehood. The above quote has the greatest concentration of mendacity that I've ever read. Look at the numbers in the link above. The United States is being turned into a different country, a Latin American country, an Asian country, an African country all at once, many, many times faster than it turned European after 1492. Obviously, some people have reason to be happy about this, but drop the bullshit. Policy is not guided by "populist racial attitudes". If it was, the immigration level would be NEGATIVE six million/decade. Numbers don't lie.

chiffonade 18y ago
> some people have reason to be happy about this Obviously not you, LOL.
danteembermage 18y ago
"Look at the numbers in the link above. The United States is being turned into a different country, a Latin American country, an Asian country, an African country all at once, many, many times faster than it turned European after 1492." I think the appropriate metric for measuring becoming a different country where different is defined as dissimilar along arbitrarily racial lines is to use percentage change in ethnic mix due to immigration per year. In other word, if you deflate the raw numbers in your table by the total population of the United States at the time, you get really low numbers for the last sixty years relative to their historical averages. Basically think "what's the chance my neighbor is a first generation American?" and you get much lower probabilities today than you would through most of American history. Some people have reason to be happy about this.
- chiffonade 18y ago
  In other words, by simply ignoring out of existence the non-white population of the US before 1965 (which is what white people loved to do back then), you can make it look like the country went through a rapid transformation and is rapidly being taken over, when in fact the minority population has always been there.
Xichekolas 18y ago
Since when does the color and provenance of the people define the United States as a country? I thought it was our freedoms and ideals... silly me.
biohacker42 18y ago
Look at the numbers in the link above. The United States is being turned into a different country You do realize that's happened before right? More then once in fact. Obviously there was the Indian to English transition. Then the Irish. And at one point so many Germans immigrated that the majority of Americans changed from being of English descent, to being of German descent. Towns in the American heartland were German speaking well into the 1950s. So yeah, the Unit States just keeps turning into a different country, again, and again.