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In a world, where everything can be stolen it will be hard to produce anything. I still have hope though. Maybe the Internet will be better. Currently everythi

• oblio 2mo ago
  > People created things out of passion, or boredom. We can returned to that scheme. Turns out, people want food and shelter more than entertainment. And psycho billionaires want money more than fun.
• mike_hearn 2mo ago
  This is a common misremembering of the early internet. The internet was never ad free. The first ad was posted online in the 1970s (for DEC)! It pissed people off but not everyone: supposedly it generated $18M in sales. There was very little advertising back then only because the internet was restricted to a handful of large companies and universities. The web itself was launched in 1991 and the early web was inaccessible to basically everyone as it required an extremely expensive NeXTStep machine. Windows didn't even ship a TCP stack in this era, iirc. So took a few years for the web to reach the point where it was usable at home. By 1995 the web was starting to become barely usable thanks to Win95 and Netscape, and DoubleClick launched immediately in the same year. My memory of the early web is that basically every website had DoubleClick ads on them, it was notorious for that. "Punch the Monkey" was an early campaign. Almost every topic oriented website carried ads, partly because bandwidth and servers were very expensive so that helped defray the costs. GeoCities took off because it handled the complexities of running ads for you, so you could publish for free.
  • hollerith 2mo ago
    When I started on the internet, Dec 1991, there were basically no ads. It stayed that way till ads starting appearing on the web, probably in 1994 or maybe 1993. The internet in Dec 1991 was already the largest computer network in the world according to some author back then. Certainly it was very very big. Let me describe what ads or ad-like things there were. Companies would announce job openings. These announcements were restricted to a few newsgroups such as ba.jobs and could not announce independent contractor openings: while it was okay to announce an opening for an employee (W2) or for an individual to announce his availability for employment, it was against the rules for a company to announce an opening for an independent contractor (1099) or for an independent contractor to announce his availability for work -- that was considered too much like commercial activity and was kept off the internet, which had almost no rules in the early 1990s, but one clear rule, consistently enforced, was, no commercial activity. The job announcements stayed nicely contained (namely, restricted to newsgroups whose names ended in ".jobs") such that a person wouldn't encounter them unless they went looking for them. What did not stay nicely contained were announcements of academic conferences. When I was reading comp.lang.lisp, I could not avoid encountering announcements for many academic conferences on various programming-related topics even if they weren't about Lisp. And these announcements were repeated often (weekly or even more frequently). But as far as anything ad-like, job announcements and conference announcements are all I can remember, and again only the conference announcements were obtrusive. I heard that the proprietary online services like Compuserve and Prodigy had successfully argued in Washington that it was unfair for private enterprises to have to compete with a government-subsidized service (namely, the internet) and extracted a commitment from Washington that any commercial activity would be kept off the internet. Again, there were almost no rules on the internet of 1991 and earlier. Tim Berners Lee for example did not need to get anyone's permission to start the web: he just wrote a web client, stood up the first web server and announced their availability. People acted like complete assholes on Usenet, and there was no way to rein them in. Pedophiles openly exchanged practical advice on how to target and exploit children on alt.sex.pedophilia. But one clear rule was no commercial activity, e.g., no selling, no trading and certainly no advertising.
  • svachalek 2mo ago
    This is such a warped and cynical view of history. Yes, advertising existed if the binary existence is what matters to you, but most online spaces were nearly free of it until the DoubleClick days -- that's 25+ years. Even then, huge swaths of the web were people putting up their personal pages, blogs about their interests, pages for their church or club or hobby, etc etc. Sites like Geocities ran dumb ads on the pages to provide the hosting service, not so every single kid with an animated gif on the page could get rich. Early advertising was primitive by today's standards, the amount of tracking and spying we consider normal now would have been an outrage and would have gotten those companies regulated into bankruptcy if they'd tried it in the 90s. TLDR no, just no. The early internet was nothing like the garbage we have now.
    • mike_hearn 2mo ago
      But almost nobody had access to the internet before 1995, so the fact that there was a 25 year period in which TCP existed but it wasn't used for much beyond manually routed emails and FTP isn't that important. Once the web was created and the internet became visual it was only a few years until advertising arrived. And sure, the ads were used to pay hosting costs. Nobody got rich off banner ads on cookery sites. But that's what I said - ads appeared immediately because servers and bandwidth were expensive. So the moment people had to pay their own way instead of being subsidized by the government, ads appeared. Nobody was going to get regulated into bankruptcy in 1995, politicians were largely ignoring the internet back then.