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UK government (and the rest of Europe) has had a very easy time implementing strict administrative regulations due to public acceptance. And the children argume

by cuoder 2mo ago

UK government (and the rest of Europe) has had a very easy time implementing strict administrative regulations due to public acceptance. And the children argument is like the easiest angle to attack, you can use it for almost any cause and win.

slopinthebag 2mo ago
1984 was based in London and the UK.
6r17 2mo ago
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- ColdStream 2mo ago
  My issue with the whole move out of country X is that, where would you move to? It seems like everyone is moving in lock-step globally.
  - 6r17 2mo ago
    War is coming to Europe. At this point I'm even thinking about moving to China - at least they don't accept Zuckerberg checks. Tbf in my case I'm also a tech holder - so i'm just getting robbed.
    - soueuls 2mo ago
      I lived in China for a while a decade ago, studied at Tsinghua and did some research as well. IMHO you have more freedom in China than in Europe. Can you walk on the street and say "Fuck Xi Jinping" like you would in France with Macron? Probably not. But it's a completely useless freedom to have. At least in China you get relative safety when you walk on the street at night. And when the government decides to restrict some liberties you don't have to pay tens of thousands of politicians and lobbyist to do it. If you have to choose your poison pill, you might as well pick the cheap one that does bring a semblance of harmony and not complete polarization and chaos.
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      - ColdStream 2mo ago
        I will update an old Yakov Smirnoff joke. You see, China and the US aren't that different you know. In the US, I can go up to Donald Trump and say "I don't like Donald Trump. The policies of the republican government are rubbish!" In China, I can go up to Xi Jinping and say "I don't like Donald Trump! The policies of the republican government are rubbish!"
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        inigyou 2mo ago
        This joke worked for previous presidents. You can't do it any more. Also it's never been true you could just approach the American president or the Chinese one
        trashb 2mo ago
        I think the difference is that in China the public are aware of the policies and they know how it will affect them if they say something dangerous. This keeps the power in check in a way since they can mostly only act on policies they have made clear before. In the US there is a false sense of freedom which makes the reasoning of power opaque and unchecked. "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." – Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
      - gabaix 2mo ago
        You will be prosecuted in some cases in France. This is a law named “insult to a representative of public authority” If you shout insults at Macron, you will be prosecuted. If you display insults about Macron, you will be prosecuted. https://www.rue89strasbourg.com/insulte-macron-selestat-manifestants-damendes-279876 https://www.rue89strasbourg.com/insulte-macron-selestat-mani... https://www.ouest-france.fr/societe/justice/un-homme-de-77-ans-condamne-a-un-stage-de-citoyennete-pour-une-banderole-anti-macron-f14995e8-eb43-11ed-ac96-1441ecffeb34 https://www.ouest-france.fr/societe/justice/un-homme-de-77-a...
  - TacticalCoder 2mo ago
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- onetimeusename 2mo ago
  Some state-resistant technology (idk if this term is in general use) like Signal planned for a lot of contingencies that could happen caused by governments. Tor is kind of like that too. So I have more optimism for building tech that is state-resistant than I do for any kind of constitution, or movement, or law. That's not to say give up but I think it's hard to argue against a state.
- dyauspitr 2mo ago
  I actually think sustained adherence to the goal of deanonymizing the Internet to basically get kids off of it in the face of significant minority opposition, actually portrays strength. I care deeply about privacy and surveillance in the real world, but who cares about the Internet, it’s an optional virtual space. For anything that’s not optional like banking, commerce etc. I’m completely OK with being not anonymous because that’s the status quo.
  - 6r17 2mo ago
    There are many people who have voiced this topic already. If you don't care about your privacy why do other people have to give it up ? It's a non-argument - nobody cares about your opinion.

by cuoder 2mo ago

slopinthebag 2mo ago

1984 was based in London and the UK.

6r17 2mo ago

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ColdStream 2mo ago
My issue with the whole move out of country X is that, where would you move to? It seems like everyone is moving in lock-step globally.
- 6r17 2mo ago
  War is coming to Europe. At this point I'm even thinking about moving to China - at least they don't accept Zuckerberg checks. Tbf in my case I'm also a tech holder - so i'm just getting robbed.
  - soueuls 2mo ago
    I lived in China for a while a decade ago, studied at Tsinghua and did some research as well. IMHO you have more freedom in China than in Europe. Can you walk on the street and say "Fuck Xi Jinping" like you would in France with Macron? Probably not. But it's a completely useless freedom to have. At least in China you get relative safety when you walk on the street at night. And when the government decides to restrict some liberties you don't have to pay tens of thousands of politicians and lobbyist to do it. If you have to choose your poison pill, you might as well pick the cheap one that does bring a semblance of harmony and not complete polarization and chaos.
    - deleted 2mo ago
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    - ColdStream 2mo ago
      I will update an old Yakov Smirnoff joke. You see, China and the US aren't that different you know. In the US, I can go up to Donald Trump and say "I don't like Donald Trump. The policies of the republican government are rubbish!" In China, I can go up to Xi Jinping and say "I don't like Donald Trump! The policies of the republican government are rubbish!"
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      - inigyou 2mo ago
        This joke worked for previous presidents. You can't do it any more. Also it's never been true you could just approach the American president or the Chinese one
      - trashb 2mo ago
        I think the difference is that in China the public are aware of the policies and they know how it will affect them if they say something dangerous. This keeps the power in check in a way since they can mostly only act on policies they have made clear before. In the US there is a false sense of freedom which makes the reasoning of power opaque and unchecked. "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." – Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
    - gabaix 2mo ago
      You will be prosecuted in some cases in France. This is a law named “insult to a representative of public authority” If you shout insults at Macron, you will be prosecuted. If you display insults about Macron, you will be prosecuted. https://www.rue89strasbourg.com/insulte-macron-selestat-manifestants-damendes-279876 https://www.rue89strasbourg.com/insulte-macron-selestat-mani... https://www.ouest-france.fr/societe/justice/un-homme-de-77-ans-condamne-a-un-stage-de-citoyennete-pour-une-banderole-anti-macron-f14995e8-eb43-11ed-ac96-1441ecffeb34 https://www.ouest-france.fr/societe/justice/un-homme-de-77-a...
- TacticalCoder 2mo ago
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onetimeusename 2mo ago
Some state-resistant technology (idk if this term is in general use) like Signal planned for a lot of contingencies that could happen caused by governments. Tor is kind of like that too. So I have more optimism for building tech that is state-resistant than I do for any kind of constitution, or movement, or law. That's not to say give up but I think it's hard to argue against a state.
dyauspitr 2mo ago
I actually think sustained adherence to the goal of deanonymizing the Internet to basically get kids off of it in the face of significant minority opposition, actually portrays strength. I care deeply about privacy and surveillance in the real world, but who cares about the Internet, it’s an optional virtual space. For anything that’s not optional like banking, commerce etc. I’m completely OK with being not anonymous because that’s the status quo.
- 6r17 2mo ago
  There are many people who have voiced this topic already. If you don't care about your privacy why do other people have to give it up ? It's a non-argument - nobody cares about your opinion.