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I'm not convinced these two things (data centers vs apartment buildings) are that similar, though there is probably some overlap. People don't just hate the id

I'm not convinced these two things (data centers vs apartment buildings) are that similar, though there is probably some overlap. People don't just hate the idea of data centers "in their backyard" the way they do with housing, they also just fundamentally despise the tech companies and personalities who are creating these data centers.

tptacek 2mo ago
People say this all the time online, but actual opinion polls show otherwise. People generally love Amazon, and have a high opinion of OpenAI (if you're not in the industry, it's not unlikely you don't really know who Anthropic is.) The underlying principal components of these data center polls are very probably just: (1) Concern about electrical bills, which are often valid, and noise, which sometimes can be as well (2) Political polarization (Democrats --- I'm a lifelong Democrat --- are currently getting marching orders to oppose data centers) (3) Bogus concerns about water. We spend a great deal more time and energy thinking about DCs on HN than the median poll respondant ever will. And still, the idea that there's striking public opposition to data centers anywhere in the country is hard to support with evidence. Fortunately, I think the public opinion fever about data centers is starting to break. I'm reading more and more left-leaning stories questioning the narrative. I think there's a good chance this sentiment crystalizes to something more specific and productive, like "stop letting Elon Musk do things".
- jakebol 2mo ago
  What polls are you seeing where public opposition is starting to break? All the polling seems to be heading strongly in a negative direction. The Texas governor even had to accept political reality and seem like he was recognizing public anger. At a protest in Salem OR a guy just the other day showed up with a literal guillotine and the CEO had to leave the meeting. People making rational arguments don’t recognize this has become a deeply emotional argument and the emotions right now are broadly not good. It feels similar to the Tea Party movement after 2008.
  - tptacek 2mo ago
    I'm not seeing polling break, just opinion writing. You're kind of making my case for me when you talk about people showing up to protests with guillotines.
    - jakebol 2mo ago
      I don’t know if I would trust opinion writing to be predictive of a growing reactive populist movement. I would caution people being dismissive of how angry people are, data centers are just a political focusing mechanism. It will get worse of course if all of this ends with an economic shock.
      - tptacek 2mo ago
        I agree that a lot of data center advocacy is just incoherent polarization and populism, as evidenced by the guillotines.

tptacek 2mo ago

People say this all the time online, but actual opinion polls show otherwise. People generally love Amazon, and have a high opinion of OpenAI (if you're not in the industry, it's not unlikely you don't really know who Anthropic is.) The underlying principal components of these data center polls are very probably just: (1) Concern about electrical bills, which are often valid, and noise, which sometimes can be as well (2) Political polarization (Democrats --- I'm a lifelong Democrat --- are currently getting marching orders to oppose data centers) (3) Bogus concerns about water. We spend a great deal more time and energy thinking about DCs on HN than the median poll respondant ever will. And still, the idea that there's striking public opposition to data centers anywhere in the country is hard to support with evidence. Fortunately, I think the public opinion fever about data centers is starting to break. I'm reading more and more left-leaning stories questioning the narrative. I think there's a good chance this sentiment crystalizes to something more specific and productive, like "stop letting Elon Musk do things".

jakebol 2mo ago
What polls are you seeing where public opposition is starting to break? All the polling seems to be heading strongly in a negative direction. The Texas governor even had to accept political reality and seem like he was recognizing public anger. At a protest in Salem OR a guy just the other day showed up with a literal guillotine and the CEO had to leave the meeting. People making rational arguments don’t recognize this has become a deeply emotional argument and the emotions right now are broadly not good. It feels similar to the Tea Party movement after 2008.
- tptacek 2mo ago
  I'm not seeing polling break, just opinion writing. You're kind of making my case for me when you talk about people showing up to protests with guillotines.
  - jakebol 2mo ago
    I don’t know if I would trust opinion writing to be predictive of a growing reactive populist movement. I would caution people being dismissive of how angry people are, data centers are just a political focusing mechanism. It will get worse of course if all of this ends with an economic shock.
    - tptacek 2mo ago
      I agree that a lot of data center advocacy is just incoherent polarization and populism, as evidenced by the guillotines.