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People really overthink drugs. You don't need anything more than psilocybin and some weed from time to time. Anything else is just unnecessary noise and intro
by juleiie 2mo ago
People really overthink drugs.
You don't need anything more than psilocybin and some weed from time to time.
Anything else is just unnecessary noise and introduces vulnerabilities to your Fortress of Mind.
Backdoor here, trapdoor here, tunnel there. Before you know it, your psyche collapses under all the brain neuroplasticity. Mind cannot form any shape at all.
Truly terrible thought so be careful my people. Don't malleableize yourself into a goo.
- natpalmer1776 2mo agoYMMV by person, their neurochemistry, and their living environment. I need a stimulant for my specific biology to adapt to modern expectations.
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- jdanford 2mo agoYour comment isn’t useful to anyone but you
- thin_carapace 2mo agoI also think that the system is cruel to convince its cogs that it is acceptable to experience stress to the point of requiring hard drugs, and I think the person you're responding to has provided a valid counter example of what life can be like without such stress.
- natpalmer1776 2mo agoExcept I don’t use “hard drugs” I use a dose of Adderall prescribed to children to correct a specific chemical imbalance that is exceptionally well documented. I could, and did for a while, live without such medication and my basic quality of life was significantly worse. Not because of society, but because of my brain. I am the person being told that I don’t need a stimulant by the condescending rich person, and I have to say that mental health is far too nuanced for casual armchair debate about how society is forcing people to need this drug or that drug. The point I wanted to convey is that this topic is incredibly specific to the individual, and “generalizations” MUST use extensive qualifiers to even come close to being accurate.
- thin_carapace 2mo agorather than attributing this to the brain or system inherently, it seems more accurate to focus on the position of the brain relative to the system. I think that's what the other person was trying to get at, but you're already aware based on how you specifically qualified this. I don't think it's fair to bring up a topic and then shut down resulting discussion as non nuanced, public forums probably aren't a good idea if youre not comfortable with receiving conflicting takes. like, amphetamine is a hard drug regardless as to whether or not a legal framework encourages its usage. and I have friends who immediately received their amphetamine script after a quick chat and an A4 questionnaire, which didn't involve any assessment of brain chemical imbalance, therefore brain chemical imbalance might be a valid theory but it's irrelevant practically. and this discussion may be individual specific, but amphetamine prescription rates are sky rocketing, so at some point the generalized conversation does need to take place as to how many people can get dosed before problems start happening (eg widespread heart issues due to long term hard stimulant consumption)
- natpalmer1776 2mo agoOh I’m fine with receiving conflicting takes. I wouldn’t post any of this on e.g. reddit because it offers no value to the users there. HN is a different crowd. I am “shutting down” comments here based on their perceived merit, not because they personally offend my sensibilities. I am comfortable holding people here to a higher standard of rigor, and accept when my own comments are responded to in kind, because that is the type of discourse I come here for! Pharmacologically speaking, classifying Adderall as a hard drug by industry terminology standards requires taking the patient into account, the dosage, and its effects on the patient. In the case I was referring to (mine) it is not a hard drug. The chemical imbalance I refer to isn’t something that is easily and REPEATABLY tested for and prescription of the drug itself is heavily guided by the individual respondent because that is how most psychiatric diagnostics are performed. The chemical imbalance is not the exact same between patients, and ADD/ADHD could be classified as multiple physiological conditions that all overlap into a single group of symptoms. For the purposes of treating it, prescribing a medication that treats a large subset of the underlying causes with no permanent adverse side effects if you treat the “wrong one” is largely good enough for most medical systems. Follow up appointments with providers checking with patients to find the right medication for their brain is part of that process. So yeah, you can fill out a questionnaire and get amphetamines you don’t need, or don’t treat your specific condition. That doesn’t invalidate the scientific research that has linked the symptom to the one of n chemical causes in the brain. So in discussions of both philosophical introspection of our society as well as academic discussion of drugs, my original comment is entirely relevant to those informed on this ONE specific mental disorder, of which there are MANY more that are equally as nuanced.
- thatmf 2mo ago> the person you're responding to has provided a valid counter example of what life can be like without such stress Their counter example: "I am rich"
- thin_carapace 2mo agowhich boy is going to spaz out more - the one in a shitty public school with no guidance, or the one provided with a diverse education and a litany of equally well educated role models? the one with a poor diet and no co curricular activity, or the one fed properly and provided with fertile ground for imagination? the lonely one forced to make friends with the wrong people, or the one whose parents' social circles provided networking opportunities from birth? I think it's a great point to make, one that could help people to stop identifying so much with this condition. because that exact same person probably wouldn't be experiencing such a condition if the environment was different, therefore is it really their condition ?
- kakacik 2mo agoYou jumped on their troll hook, just look at their comments. Either that person is delusional on many fronts or just taking the forum for the lolz, in both cases don't get riled up and just ignore
- thin_carapace 2mo agoyou're more than welcome to join the conversation but if sitting on the sideline and calling me names is what you really wanna do then uh you do you
- kcoul 2mo agothis post just demonstrates the lack of sympathy/empathy so many rich people seem to have for others. There is a huge difference between taking pills designed to eternally treat symptoms and never the root cause, vs a plant medicine that might actually address the root cause of a problem. Bufo unfortunately has the added problem of coming from an animal rather than a plant, I agree with another post that suggests using synthetic where possible, but one should also not give up the opportunity to do life-changing personal development...
- mock-possum 2mo agoWait wait wait.. Is fallout’s ‘Buffout’ this ‘bufo?’
- xoxxala 2mo agoNo. We put a lot of references into Fallout, but that wasn’t one of them. (And we didn’t have any toads on the team, just a scorpion the artists used as a reference and no one was licking it.)
- skinfaxi 2mo agoBufo Alvarius is the toad and the first two words of the article title when you visit the wiki page.
- denkmoon 2mo agoThe type of mind that could genuinely benefit from a psychedelic…
- alecbz 2mo ago> understands people and knows what people need > does not understand the concept of [incredibly common psychological problem]
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- DonHopkins 2mo agoFYI, you're arguing with a petty psychopath who will threaten your life when she inevidibly loses an argument because the facts and evidence are not on her side.
- natpalmer1776 2mo agoI’m genuinely interested to know more about this lore you seem to possess. Also, you’re nerd-famous, this is the highlight of my week.
- talon8635 2mo agoI’ve used both a lot. It’s inaccurate to frame weed and psilo as “necessary”.
- nxpnsv 2mo agohmmm; I really don’t feel like I need weed or shrooms from time to time. I’m ok the way I am.
- Nursie 2mo agoYou don't need any of them. And that's your personal taste and isn't universal. If you've only experienced those two then it's like you're sticking to black and white when there's a whole spectrum of other colours out there you're just discarding with no particularly good rationale. Plus you can screw yourself up with psilocybin and weed perfectly adequately.
- eleveriven 2mo agoThe part I'm struggling with is where "neuroplasticity" turns into "your psyche collapses". That sounds more like a metaphor than an actual mechanism