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While Zuck's contributions are probably overwhelmingly more negative than positive, Meta initiated both pytorch and llama which have had profoundly positive eff

While Zuck's contributions are probably overwhelmingly more negative than positive, Meta initiated both pytorch and llama which have had profoundly positive effects on AI research. And I really am not a fan of python :D

bigfishrunning 2mo ago
Yes, but have those positive effects on AI research had a positive or negative effect on society? I guess time will tell
jmalicki 2mo ago
pytorch is really mostly C++ after all, you don't have to use it with python. Python just allows you to use it like "normal code", whereas if you program it in C++ you really get exposed to what's under the hood and can't write "normal code"
numpad0 2mo ago
Wasn't LLaMA or Llama 2 the first ever open weight LLM through a leak, and weren't there speculations that Zuckerberg himself might be involved in it? He does seem like a good-ish guy at the most crucial moments of truths.
- magicalist 2mo ago
  > Wasn't LLaMA or Llama 2 the first ever open weight LLM through a leak No > and weren't there speculations that Zuckerberg himself might be involved in it and no. Meta legal was issuing DMCA notices within days (so, plenty of time for execs, including Zuckerberg, to sign off on, or even propose, that strategy). > He does seem like a good-ish guy at the most crucial moments of truths. Does he? I can't seem to recall any particular crucial moments that revealed any underlying character there.
- dragonwriter 2mo ago
  > Wasn't LLaMA or Llama 2 the first ever open weight LLM through a leak No. GPT-2, I think, was the first, four(ish) years before Llama, and there were a bunch in between GPT-2 and the Llama leak and later open release. The Llama leak was a substantial leap forward in capacity for local LLMs, but not the first, and it wasn’t open. The open licensed release was Llama 2 several months after the Llama leak.
  - numpad0 2mo ago
    My apologies, looks like I just completely forgot about GPT-2...

bigfishrunning 2mo ago

Yes, but have those positive effects on AI research had a positive or negative effect on society? I guess time will tell

jmalicki 2mo ago

pytorch is really mostly C++ after all, you don't have to use it with python. Python just allows you to use it like "normal code", whereas if you program it in C++ you really get exposed to what's under the hood and can't write "normal code"

numpad0 2mo ago

Wasn't LLaMA or Llama 2 the first ever open weight LLM through a leak, and weren't there speculations that Zuckerberg himself might be involved in it? He does seem like a good-ish guy at the most crucial moments of truths.

magicalist 2mo ago
> Wasn't LLaMA or Llama 2 the first ever open weight LLM through a leak No > and weren't there speculations that Zuckerberg himself might be involved in it and no. Meta legal was issuing DMCA notices within days (so, plenty of time for execs, including Zuckerberg, to sign off on, or even propose, that strategy). > He does seem like a good-ish guy at the most crucial moments of truths. Does he? I can't seem to recall any particular crucial moments that revealed any underlying character there.
dragonwriter 2mo ago
> Wasn't LLaMA or Llama 2 the first ever open weight LLM through a leak No. GPT-2, I think, was the first, four(ish) years before Llama, and there were a bunch in between GPT-2 and the Llama leak and later open release. The Llama leak was a substantial leap forward in capacity for local LLMs, but not the first, and it wasn’t open. The open licensed release was Llama 2 several months after the Llama leak.
- numpad0 2mo ago
  My apologies, looks like I just completely forgot about GPT-2...