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Probably different concerns. If you had a home video and I was in the background I wouldn't care. The odds of anyone recognizing me would be low. If you upload

by abirch 2mo ago

Probably different concerns. If you had a home video and I was in the background I wouldn't care. The odds of anyone recognizing me would be low. If you upload it to anyone using mass AI (YouTube, Meta, etc.) then I care a lot.

willtemperley 2mo ago
I suspect you're not a pretty girl that gets stared at. Neither am I, but if I were I'd rather the stares weren't recordable.
- alickz 2mo ago
  If I was a pretty girl that gets stared at I think I'd want to record the ones doing the staring People generally commit less crime if they think they're on camera If they do commit a crime, at least there would be video evidence Or if they just want to be creepy, I'd send those stares to their wife Considering motivated perverts would use hidden cameras, as opposed to cameras literally on their face, I think the asymmetry here is in favor of recording the perverts rather than vice versa
  - soraminazuki 2mo ago
    There's plenty of evidence to the contrary, considering that's the same old argument that NRA has been making for our entire lives.
    - alickz 2mo ago
      I think there's a difference between brandishing a weapon and brandishing a recording device Unlike the sword, the camera itself does not incite deeds of violence My understanding at least is that cameras (or even signs) reducing/preventing crime by _some_ amount has been independently corroborated across multiple studies
      - soraminazuki 2mo ago
        Maybe I lost too much faith in society. But in a world where everyone is recording each other, I think people who are able to act with impunity wins, not necessarily those with higher moral standards.
zamadatix 2mo ago
The complaints are less about the cebtralized monitoring (though those are certainly problematic) and more about the monitoring from every individual user. Unfortunately, a device being more and more open instead of centrally controlled actually makes this measure worse, especially since a device being open source does not limit where the data it gathers is posted.

by abirch 2mo ago

willtemperley 2mo ago

I suspect you're not a pretty girl that gets stared at. Neither am I, but if I were I'd rather the stares weren't recordable.

alickz 2mo ago
If I was a pretty girl that gets stared at I think I'd want to record the ones doing the staring People generally commit less crime if they think they're on camera If they do commit a crime, at least there would be video evidence Or if they just want to be creepy, I'd send those stares to their wife Considering motivated perverts would use hidden cameras, as opposed to cameras literally on their face, I think the asymmetry here is in favor of recording the perverts rather than vice versa
- soraminazuki 2mo ago
  There's plenty of evidence to the contrary, considering that's the same old argument that NRA has been making for our entire lives.
  - alickz 2mo ago
    I think there's a difference between brandishing a weapon and brandishing a recording device Unlike the sword, the camera itself does not incite deeds of violence My understanding at least is that cameras (or even signs) reducing/preventing crime by _some_ amount has been independently corroborated across multiple studies
    - soraminazuki 2mo ago
      Maybe I lost too much faith in society. But in a world where everyone is recording each other, I think people who are able to act with impunity wins, not necessarily those with higher moral standards.

zamadatix 2mo ago

The complaints are less about the cebtralized monitoring (though those are certainly problematic) and more about the monitoring from every individual user. Unfortunately, a device being more and more open instead of centrally controlled actually makes this measure worse, especially since a device being open source does not limit where the data it gathers is posted.