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> Idk licensing and regulation sounds like involving more institutional arrogance. Well it works. Aviation for example is incredibly safe if you think about it

> Idk licensing and regulation sounds like involving more institutional arrogance. Well it works. Aviation for example is incredibly safe if you think about it, and mostly because the governments worldwide joined forces and introduced an amount of safety regulations everywhere that sounds insane until you remember that these rules were literally written in blood. And similarly, losing your life or getting injured on a modern ship is a pretty rare thing to happen (either as employee or passenger) if you contrast it with the situation just five decades or so ago. > We effectively have that kind of gatekeeping now with the University degree and University recruiting pipelines (all other candidates are "external" and illegally deprioritized but it's somehow allowed). Degree mills aren't the kind of gatekeeping I'm talking about. If you screw up, you still can go to another company and continue screwing up there, which also means there is barely any incentive to hold education institutions accountable to deliver good education. In the regulated trades however? Screw up enough and you're out for good. > Licensing just gatekeeps it more to even more dumbass people with connections getting good roles. It should be more merit based to avoid this kind of thing. Trades licensing is merit based.

bluGill 2mo ago
> Trades licensing is merit based. Only on the bottom end. People with zero merit get forced out - eventually in most cases. However a lot of people who have merit are not allowed in.
- mschuster91 2mo ago
  > People with zero merit get forced out - eventually in most cases. Yeah but in many cases often only after decades and still with a sizable final paycheck on departure. "Failing upwards" is a thing, and it happens far too often.
purplemoonx 2mo ago
Commercial aviation involves other people's lives in real-time. I put that more like being a lifeguard or EMT. Recreational aviation has a lot less regulation. I saw a guy with nothing but a fan and a parachute just flying around the cliffs off Hwy 1. No license or certification needed. Shouldn't need a license to make React components, sorry.
- mschuster91 2mo ago
  > Recreational aviation has a lot less regulation. Yup, and the result is that GA has orders of magnitude worse accident rates. > I saw a guy with nothing but a fan and a parachute just flying around the cliffs off Hwy 1. No license or certification needed. In most of Europe, this just doesn't fly (pun intended), you need a license for almost all aeronautical activities, and on top of that a fair few countries (most notably Germany) only allow start and land from official airstrips. > Shouldn't need a license to make React components, sorry. Oh I'd say, yes, a license is a good idea, simply given how often developers put in stuff from marketing that violates laws. Forcing a license that can be revoked now gives engineers the ability to push back against management because now their licenses are on the line.
  - purplemoonx 2mo ago
    > this just doesn't fly How dare you. And to your point, you'd never catch me on one of those paraglider things! > Oh I'd say, yes, a license is a good idea, simply given how often developers put in stuff from marketing that violates laws. My only license is MIT :cool:

bluGill 2mo ago

> Trades licensing is merit based. Only on the bottom end. People with zero merit get forced out - eventually in most cases. However a lot of people who have merit are not allowed in.

mschuster91 2mo ago
> People with zero merit get forced out - eventually in most cases. Yeah but in many cases often only after decades and still with a sizable final paycheck on departure. "Failing upwards" is a thing, and it happens far too often.

purplemoonx 2mo ago

Commercial aviation involves other people's lives in real-time. I put that more like being a lifeguard or EMT. Recreational aviation has a lot less regulation. I saw a guy with nothing but a fan and a parachute just flying around the cliffs off Hwy 1. No license or certification needed. Shouldn't need a license to make React components, sorry.

mschuster91 2mo ago
> Recreational aviation has a lot less regulation. Yup, and the result is that GA has orders of magnitude worse accident rates. > I saw a guy with nothing but a fan and a parachute just flying around the cliffs off Hwy 1. No license or certification needed. In most of Europe, this just doesn't fly (pun intended), you need a license for almost all aeronautical activities, and on top of that a fair few countries (most notably Germany) only allow start and land from official airstrips. > Shouldn't need a license to make React components, sorry. Oh I'd say, yes, a license is a good idea, simply given how often developers put in stuff from marketing that violates laws. Forcing a license that can be revoked now gives engineers the ability to push back against management because now their licenses are on the line.
- purplemoonx 2mo ago
  > this just doesn't fly How dare you. And to your point, you'd never catch me on one of those paraglider things! > Oh I'd say, yes, a license is a good idea, simply given how often developers put in stuff from marketing that violates laws. My only license is MIT :cool: