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this idea that government regulation is the problem and the companies need economic incentives to self regulate is a religion around here, and after incredible

this idea that government regulation is the problem and the companies need economic incentives to self regulate is a religion around here, and after incredible amounts of evidence that is untrue, like all religions, it’s practitioners have made zero changes to their opinion.

toomuchtodo 2mo ago
As a cybersecurity practitioner, regulation and oversight is the only incentive that moves the needle in my experience. If there are no costs or negative outcomes for not caring about security, security will not be prioritized. Big fan of SEC Breach Reporting via Form 8-K, as well as state reporting requirements. https://www.sec.gov/newsroom/speeches-statements/gerding-cybersecurity-incidents-05212024 https://www.sec.gov/newsroom/speeches-statements/gerding-cyb... https://www.ncsl.org/technology-and-communication/security-breach-notification-laws https://www.ncsl.org/technology-and-communication/security-b...
purplemoonx 2mo ago
Kinda feel like you get corruption no matter if it's pure socialism or pure capitalism, and that any system is a reflection of the people.
perpetuallunch 2mo ago
There is exactly zero evidence that any religion isn’t true. How could there be? Evolution can’t disprove the existence of God.
- arethuza 2mo ago
  All depends which god we are disproving the existence of?
  - purplemoonx 2mo ago
    Prove Zeus didn't fart the Earth into existence, otherwise that's what happened
    - goatlover 2mo ago
      Welcome to Invisible Pink Unicorns and orbiting tea pots. You're just a fleeting experience of a Boltzmann Brain in the background of high entropy universe. We don't need to disprove radically skeptical or outlandish beliefs. They're not consistent with everything else we know. There's no good reason to take them seriously.
      - purplemoonx 2mo ago
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- purplemoonx 2mo ago
  Allow me to introduce you to: Burden of Proof.
  - perpetuallunch 2mo ago
    I can prove God exists is the same sense that you can explain why there isn’t simply nothing at all.
    - purplemoonx 2mo ago
      Material existence != a guy flying around in space listening to your thoughts
- antonvs 2mo ago
  The primary evidence that religions aren’t “true” are the religious texts themselves: filled with easily disproved falsehoods and a primitive understanding of the world. Evolution is not compatible with creation myths. The biblical Exodus never happened. Jesus was barely noticed historically, i.e. extra-biblically. The issue is not “disproving the existence of God”, any more than we have to disprove the existence of Frodo Baggins. (Which gods, btw?) The question should be, why should we take these obvious myths as anything more than that? The answer is that there’s no reason to.
  - perpetuallunch 2mo ago
    Ultimately science can’t explain why there is anything at all, rather than the more likely scenario of there simply being nothing. It’s not a question science can answer. Once there is something, rather than the obviously more likely nothing at all, science won’t help you understand why physics > chemistry > biology is ever so precisely tuned to be able to give rise to everything necessary for complex life to arise. Without resorting to circular reasoning. There’s definitely an aspect of mythos in the, well, “creation myths”. The religious texts of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, have anything but a primitive understanding of the human condition, the human world. My understanding of the worlds other great religions is very limited, other than to say they appear to have served their adherents well enough to have got them this far. The problems the world faces today are primarily those of frivolity, corruption, excess. No amount of science is going to help there.
    - antonvs 2mo ago
      > Once there is something, rather than the obviously more likely nothing at all Why is that "obviously more likely"? It's clear that you haven't really thought about this outside of the confines of your indoctrinated religion. > ever so precisely tuned to be able to give rise to everything necessary for complex life to arise. Citation needed. This is just mythical nonsense that doesn't stand up to even the lightest scrutiny. Not to mention that the argument "we can't perfectly explain the universe, therefore 'god'" is so ridiculously nonsensical that it makes me question whether or not I'm talking to an intelligent being. > The problems the world faces today are primarily those of frivolity, corruption, excess. No amount of science is going to help there. No, ethics will help. That's the domain of philosophy. There's no ethical religion in the world today, because they all delegate ethics to an imaginary source with no evidence. Perhaps you want to claim that Christianity is ethical? Oh yes? What's its position on gender equality, on gay people, etc.? And why does it hold that position? Because "God" supposedly said something to some Bronze Age goat herders 4000 years ago? It's absolutely incredible and insane that anyone with even a minimal modern education would believe such nonsense. You should be ashamed of yourself, not least because of the damaging "ethics" that your religion has convinced you to believe and to inflict on the people around you. Shame. The reason you're even discussing this is because somewhere, deep inside, you recognize that you've been sold a bill of goods. It's time to become an adult now, and put away childish things.

toomuchtodo 2mo ago

As a cybersecurity practitioner, regulation and oversight is the only incentive that moves the needle in my experience. If there are no costs or negative outcomes for not caring about security, security will not be prioritized. Big fan of SEC Breach Reporting via Form 8-K, as well as state reporting requirements. https://www.sec.gov/newsroom/speeches-statements/gerding-cybersecurity-incidents-05212024 https://www.sec.gov/newsroom/speeches-statements/gerding-cyb... https://www.ncsl.org/technology-and-communication/security-breach-notification-laws https://www.ncsl.org/technology-and-communication/security-b...

purplemoonx 2mo ago

Kinda feel like you get corruption no matter if it's pure socialism or pure capitalism, and that any system is a reflection of the people.

perpetuallunch 2mo ago

There is exactly zero evidence that any religion isn’t true. How could there be? Evolution can’t disprove the existence of God.

arethuza 2mo ago
All depends which god we are disproving the existence of?
- purplemoonx 2mo ago
  Prove Zeus didn't fart the Earth into existence, otherwise that's what happened
  - goatlover 2mo ago
    Welcome to Invisible Pink Unicorns and orbiting tea pots. You're just a fleeting experience of a Boltzmann Brain in the background of high entropy universe. We don't need to disprove radically skeptical or outlandish beliefs. They're not consistent with everything else we know. There's no good reason to take them seriously.
    - purplemoonx 2mo ago
      [dead]
purplemoonx 2mo ago
Allow me to introduce you to: Burden of Proof.
- perpetuallunch 2mo ago
  I can prove God exists is the same sense that you can explain why there isn’t simply nothing at all.
  - purplemoonx 2mo ago
    Material existence != a guy flying around in space listening to your thoughts
antonvs 2mo ago
The primary evidence that religions aren’t “true” are the religious texts themselves: filled with easily disproved falsehoods and a primitive understanding of the world. Evolution is not compatible with creation myths. The biblical Exodus never happened. Jesus was barely noticed historically, i.e. extra-biblically. The issue is not “disproving the existence of God”, any more than we have to disprove the existence of Frodo Baggins. (Which gods, btw?) The question should be, why should we take these obvious myths as anything more than that? The answer is that there’s no reason to.
- perpetuallunch 2mo ago
  Ultimately science can’t explain why there is anything at all, rather than the more likely scenario of there simply being nothing. It’s not a question science can answer. Once there is something, rather than the obviously more likely nothing at all, science won’t help you understand why physics > chemistry > biology is ever so precisely tuned to be able to give rise to everything necessary for complex life to arise. Without resorting to circular reasoning. There’s definitely an aspect of mythos in the, well, “creation myths”. The religious texts of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, have anything but a primitive understanding of the human condition, the human world. My understanding of the worlds other great religions is very limited, other than to say they appear to have served their adherents well enough to have got them this far. The problems the world faces today are primarily those of frivolity, corruption, excess. No amount of science is going to help there.
  - antonvs 2mo ago
    > Once there is something, rather than the obviously more likely nothing at all Why is that "obviously more likely"? It's clear that you haven't really thought about this outside of the confines of your indoctrinated religion. > ever so precisely tuned to be able to give rise to everything necessary for complex life to arise. Citation needed. This is just mythical nonsense that doesn't stand up to even the lightest scrutiny. Not to mention that the argument "we can't perfectly explain the universe, therefore 'god'" is so ridiculously nonsensical that it makes me question whether or not I'm talking to an intelligent being. > The problems the world faces today are primarily those of frivolity, corruption, excess. No amount of science is going to help there. No, ethics will help. That's the domain of philosophy. There's no ethical religion in the world today, because they all delegate ethics to an imaginary source with no evidence. Perhaps you want to claim that Christianity is ethical? Oh yes? What's its position on gender equality, on gay people, etc.? And why does it hold that position? Because "God" supposedly said something to some Bronze Age goat herders 4000 years ago? It's absolutely incredible and insane that anyone with even a minimal modern education would believe such nonsense. You should be ashamed of yourself, not least because of the damaging "ethics" that your religion has convinced you to believe and to inflict on the people around you. Shame. The reason you're even discussing this is because somewhere, deep inside, you recognize that you've been sold a bill of goods. It's time to become an adult now, and put away childish things.