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The UI has been a huge impediment in my getting into Squeak development. Every couple years I decide I will try it again, and then see that very little has chan

The UI has been a huge impediment in my getting into Squeak development. Every couple years I decide I will try it again, and then see that very little has changed. It's a shame. Smalltalk/Squeak/Pharo was supposed to be the future, but it feels like an IDE stuck in the 90's.

pjmlp 2mo ago
It should not be a problem, given how many love to use CLI and TUI workflows stuck in the 1960-80's. :)
morphle 2mo ago
I have at least eight different GUIs implemented in Squeak and also native Xwindows, macOS, iPhone and Windows. Plus several through the FFI interface. And three/seven Web GUI interfaces. We used to run (around 2009) Squeak on more platforms than Linux, they all still work in the 32 versions. I'll make the old bitrotted GUI's work again in the latest Squeak 6.1 if you pay me a few thousand euro's. I count many more native GUI support in all Smalltalk versions https://github.com/jeceljr/SmalltalkSurvey https://github.com/jeceljr/SmalltalkSurvey Squeak goes back all the way to 1972, we ran on most GUIs in existence. Smalltalk was the invention of the first GUI. https://smalltalkzoo.computerhistory.org https://smalltalkzoo.computerhistory.org See many of my old comments on my 18 years on HN https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=morphle https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=morphle I even have the most scalable (massively parallel) GUI written in a few thosand lines of code: https://youtu.be/f1605Zmwek8?t=3100 https://youtu.be/f1605Zmwek8?t=3100 And several 3D GUIs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s9ldlqhVkM&t=4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s9ldlqhVkM&t=4s and the highly scalable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQTeWJNkylI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQTeWJNkylI
- bmacho 2mo ago
  > And three/seven Web GUI interfaces. Is there one that uses html (text, div) and not canvas/bitmap?
  - morphle 2mo ago
    Seaside renders as html. Magritte and Pier (CMS) on top.

pjmlp 2mo ago

It should not be a problem, given how many love to use CLI and TUI workflows stuck in the 1960-80's. :)

morphle 2mo ago

I have at least eight different GUIs implemented in Squeak and also native Xwindows, macOS, iPhone and Windows. Plus several through the FFI interface. And three/seven Web GUI interfaces. We used to run (around 2009) Squeak on more platforms than Linux, they all still work in the 32 versions. I'll make the old bitrotted GUI's work again in the latest Squeak 6.1 if you pay me a few thousand euro's. I count many more native GUI support in all Smalltalk versions https://github.com/jeceljr/SmalltalkSurvey https://github.com/jeceljr/SmalltalkSurvey Squeak goes back all the way to 1972, we ran on most GUIs in existence. Smalltalk was the invention of the first GUI. https://smalltalkzoo.computerhistory.org https://smalltalkzoo.computerhistory.org See many of my old comments on my 18 years on HN https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=morphle https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=morphle I even have the most scalable (massively parallel) GUI written in a few thosand lines of code: https://youtu.be/f1605Zmwek8?t=3100 https://youtu.be/f1605Zmwek8?t=3100 And several 3D GUIs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s9ldlqhVkM&t=4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s9ldlqhVkM&t=4s and the highly scalable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQTeWJNkylI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQTeWJNkylI

bmacho 2mo ago
> And three/seven Web GUI interfaces. Is there one that uses html (text, div) and not canvas/bitmap?
- morphle 2mo ago
  Seaside renders as html. Magritte and Pier (CMS) on top.