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>Eiichi Goto Is it nominative determinism if it's 2 years before the introduction of Goto (1956, Fortran apparently) Or maybe it was named in his honour?

by benj111 2mo ago

binaryturtle 2mo ago
Goto (as in "Go to") and Goto (as in the romaji version of one of 後藤, 五藤, 五島, …) is simple two things that sound/look the same when written in ASCII w/o spaces. :)
- cwmoore 2mo ago
  Please see: “nominative determinism”
  - ranger_danger 2mo ago
    The last name "Goto" in this case is actually read Gotou (ごとう), but romanization methods are their own flamewar. There's much less emphasis put on the "go" part than the "tou", so pronunciation doesn't actually sound anything like the English word "goto" at all. Imagine the spanish word gato. Now elongate the "to", and change the ga to go, and you're close.
    - benj111 2mo ago
      TBF, do we actually know how goto the statement was intended to be pronounced? It's like saying Bob Gif is pronounced with a J so sounds nothing like the file format.....
      - IAmBroom 2mo ago
        Yes, there is only one reasonable pronunciation of the Fortran code word which is an amalgam of the English words "go to". GIF is an initialism, with no comparable basis.
      - kbelder 2mo ago
        >It's like saying Bob Gif is pronounced with a J so sounds nothing like the file format..... You mean, it sounds exactly like the file format...
  - cwmoore 2mo ago
    /Please see/goto/ sheesh
- adrian_b 2mo ago
  As a family name, it seems to be: 後藤 where the first character means "behind" or "back" and the second character refers to wisteria vines. (The first character is familiar to some of the martial arts practitioners, because it has an alternative pronunciation, "kō" instead of "go", which is used in the expression "kō-kutsu-shitsu", which is normally abbreviated to "kō-kutsu", and which means "with the back knee bent".)
HPsquared 2mo ago
There's also GotoBLAS, developed by Kazushige Goto. I wonder if they have any relation or if it's a relatively common name.
- leoc 2mo ago
  Very common in Japan, it seems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Got%C5%8D_(surname) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Got%C5%8D_(surname) . (Confusingly there is both a Mariko Goto who used to be the singer in a band named Midori and a Japanese-American violinist named Midori Goto.)
  - numpad0 2mo ago
    Allegedly 35th most common according to some random website[1][2] 1: https://myoji-yurai.net/searchResult.htm?myojiKanji=%E5%BE%8C%E8%97%A4 https://myoji-yurai.net/searchResult.htm?myojiKanji=%E5%BE%8... 2: https://myoji-yurai.net/prefectureRanking.htm https://myoji-yurai.net/prefectureRanking.htm
techaqua 2mo ago
pronounced `go toe`
- addaon 2mo ago
  Unlike the Fortran statement which is pronounced `jo toe`.
adrian_b 2mo ago
While the first public release of Fortran was in 1956, its design started in 1954 and the GOTO statement was already included in the preliminary Fortran from 1954. Besides the inventor of parametron, there is also Kazushige Goto, who became famous after writing in 2002 the library GotoBLAS, which was for some years the fastest library for linear algebra and which inspired all later such libraries. He later worked at Microsoft, then at Intel. What is funny is that searching right now "Kazushige Goto" in Bing, it immediately returned a confident AI answer that "Kazushige Goto was a Japanese scientist who invented the parametron in 1954 while he was a ...". I pity those who believe any of the AI answers that most search engines force now upon their users. I wonder if there is any relationship between the 2 Goto, but it is unlikely, because Goto is not rare among the Japanese family names.

>Eiichi Goto Is it nominative determinism if it's 2 years before the introduction of Goto (1956, Fortran apparently) Or maybe it was named in his honour?

by benj111 2mo ago

>Eiichi Goto Is it nominative determinism if it's 2 years before the introduction of Goto (1956, Fortran apparently) Or maybe it was named in his honour?

binaryturtle 2mo ago

Goto (as in "Go to") and Goto (as in the romaji version of one of 後藤, 五藤, 五島, …) is simple two things that sound/look the same when written in ASCII w/o spaces. :)

cwmoore 2mo ago
Please see: “nominative determinism”
- ranger_danger 2mo ago
  The last name "Goto" in this case is actually read Gotou (ごとう), but romanization methods are their own flamewar. There's much less emphasis put on the "go" part than the "tou", so pronunciation doesn't actually sound anything like the English word "goto" at all. Imagine the spanish word gato. Now elongate the "to", and change the ga to go, and you're close.
  - benj111 2mo ago
    TBF, do we actually know how goto the statement was intended to be pronounced? It's like saying Bob Gif is pronounced with a J so sounds nothing like the file format.....
    - IAmBroom 2mo ago
      Yes, there is only one reasonable pronunciation of the Fortran code word which is an amalgam of the English words "go to". GIF is an initialism, with no comparable basis.
    - kbelder 2mo ago
      >It's like saying Bob Gif is pronounced with a J so sounds nothing like the file format..... You mean, it sounds exactly like the file format...
- cwmoore 2mo ago
  /Please see/goto/ sheesh
adrian_b 2mo ago
As a family name, it seems to be: 後藤 where the first character means "behind" or "back" and the second character refers to wisteria vines. (The first character is familiar to some of the martial arts practitioners, because it has an alternative pronunciation, "kō" instead of "go", which is used in the expression "kō-kutsu-shitsu", which is normally abbreviated to "kō-kutsu", and which means "with the back knee bent".)

HPsquared 2mo ago

There's also GotoBLAS, developed by Kazushige Goto. I wonder if they have any relation or if it's a relatively common name.

leoc 2mo ago
Very common in Japan, it seems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Got%C5%8D_(surname) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Got%C5%8D_(surname) . (Confusingly there is both a Mariko Goto who used to be the singer in a band named Midori and a Japanese-American violinist named Midori Goto.)
- numpad0 2mo ago
  Allegedly 35th most common according to some random website[1][2] 1: https://myoji-yurai.net/searchResult.htm?myojiKanji=%E5%BE%8C%E8%97%A4 https://myoji-yurai.net/searchResult.htm?myojiKanji=%E5%BE%8... 2: https://myoji-yurai.net/prefectureRanking.htm https://myoji-yurai.net/prefectureRanking.htm

techaqua 2mo ago

pronounced `go toe`

addaon 2mo ago
Unlike the Fortran statement which is pronounced `jo toe`.

adrian_b 2mo ago

While the first public release of Fortran was in 1956, its design started in 1954 and the GOTO statement was already included in the preliminary Fortran from 1954. Besides the inventor of parametron, there is also Kazushige Goto, who became famous after writing in 2002 the library GotoBLAS, which was for some years the fastest library for linear algebra and which inspired all later such libraries. He later worked at Microsoft, then at Intel. What is funny is that searching right now "Kazushige Goto" in Bing, it immediately returned a confident AI answer that "Kazushige Goto was a Japanese scientist who invented the parametron in 1954 while he was a ...". I pity those who believe any of the AI answers that most search engines force now upon their users. I wonder if there is any relationship between the 2 Goto, but it is unlikely, because Goto is not rare among the Japanese family names.