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national security > free market capitalism

mmooss 2mo ago
Go back up the thread and explain how it helps national security. So far there is no explanation of it. > national security > free market capitalism Also, claiming 'national security' is an old excuse to do anything. The current administration uses it to justify almost anything. These aren't absolutes - everything that possibly touches on national security isn't justifiable. And free markets are critical to national security - that's what gives the US and others a huge advantage in economic output and innovation.
- gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
  Nah .. you lost the argument and now ur demanding I defend your framing for you .. always remember .. you own the state .. the state doesn't owe you anything .. its first duty is to protect the country .. at whatever cost is necessary .. China does this overtly (hence it can strong arm anything it needs to strong arm out of its markets) .. Democracies do it through institutions, laws, and policy .. which aparently ur salty about ... PS: America is in the strongest position it's ever been, and your ideological discomfort doesn't change that mmoaner ;)
  - mmooss 2mo ago
    You haven't supported your claims at all. That you turn to name-calling and provocation makes it seem more likely that you have nothing to stand on. > you own the state .. the state doesn't owe you anything .. its first duty is to protect the country .. at whatever cost is necessary That's the opposite of modern government: "...We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness--That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..." Note that the sole purpose of government is to protect the freedom and rights of each person, to the extent that if government "becomes destructive of these Ends", it is time to abolish it. There is no 'country' to serve, only the people in it. It's odd that, having this amazing, just political tradition handed to you, so strongly established over centuries and around the world, so extraordinarily successful beyond all others in freedom, prosperity, stability, and security, you would seek to undermine it and serve dictators who oppress, impoverish, and kill you. Why do you prefer a state that 'doesn't owe you anything'? > America is in the strongest position it's ever been You'll have to support that claim for it to have any meaning. Like the rest of what you've written on this page, it's just bytes otherwise.
    - gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
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Go back up the thread and explain how it helps national security. So far there is no explanation of it. > national security > free market capitalism Also, claiming 'national security' is an old excuse to do anything. The current administration uses it to justify almost anything. These aren't absolutes - everything that possibly touches on national security isn't justifiable. And free markets are critical to national security - that's what gives the US and others a huge advantage in economic output and innovation.

gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
Nah .. you lost the argument and now ur demanding I defend your framing for you .. always remember .. you own the state .. the state doesn't owe you anything .. its first duty is to protect the country .. at whatever cost is necessary .. China does this overtly (hence it can strong arm anything it needs to strong arm out of its markets) .. Democracies do it through institutions, laws, and policy .. which aparently ur salty about ... PS: America is in the strongest position it's ever been, and your ideological discomfort doesn't change that mmoaner ;)
- mmooss 2mo ago
  You haven't supported your claims at all. That you turn to name-calling and provocation makes it seem more likely that you have nothing to stand on. > you own the state .. the state doesn't owe you anything .. its first duty is to protect the country .. at whatever cost is necessary That's the opposite of modern government: "...We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness--That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..." Note that the sole purpose of government is to protect the freedom and rights of each person, to the extent that if government "becomes destructive of these Ends", it is time to abolish it. There is no 'country' to serve, only the people in it. It's odd that, having this amazing, just political tradition handed to you, so strongly established over centuries and around the world, so extraordinarily successful beyond all others in freedom, prosperity, stability, and security, you would seek to undermine it and serve dictators who oppress, impoverish, and kill you. Why do you prefer a state that 'doesn't owe you anything'? > America is in the strongest position it's ever been You'll have to support that claim for it to have any meaning. Like the rest of what you've written on this page, it's just bytes otherwise.
  - gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
    grabbed