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Why does it seem odd when people who do attempt to contribute back are attacked? AI lowers the bar to making submissions which permits flawed subissions to be

by Lerc 2mo ago

Why does it seem odd when people who do attempt to contribute back are attacked? AI lowers the bar to making submissions which permits flawed subissions to be thoughtlessly submitted by people who don't really understand what they are doing, technically or culturally. It does, however, enable people who put in the effort to work on something significant. Those people are fewer in number, but exist. They do get to see the animosity that unwitting novices receive. I don't think it would be surprising for those people to opt out of engaging with a toxic environment.

acdha 2mo ago
People are attacked for low quality. There are counter examples but it is definitely striking how infrequently you see a PR which doesn’t stand out for being turgid or flawed, and whose author clearly expects a cookie for their “contribution” of a couple minutes of prompting.
- Lerc 2mo ago
  Are you alleging that there are far more things that takes no effort than things that takes quite a lot of effort, You might have something there. It probably holds true for a lot of things. Either that or most gutairs sold are defective.
20k 2mo ago
You'd think one 10x engineer or one core developer already part of the project would have completely eclipsed all the other engineers, and worked around the difficulties there Or, failing that, you'd think any of these engineers - given the truly vast amount of programming power now available at their fingertips with their 10x productivity - would have simply replaced these projects. It'd only take a few 10xers who wanted to show that everyone else was wrong. That's how open source often works, someone just gets a been in their bonnet and then we get linux Instead: I can't find any of it. There's no evidence of this productivity boost in the wild. There aren't new high quality 10x open source projects springing up that are replacing everything. There aren't high quality LLM contributions, feature development isn't going faster. There's almost no evidence of high quality AI code generation at all in the open source space, existing projects or otherwise Where's all the code? I want the receipts if people are claiming a 10x productivity. Because at the moment, the much more likely explanation seems to be that its simply not true
- Lerc 2mo ago
  I can't point you at any because I don't want to send a mob their way. For any instances where people have made things and revealed them to the world have been declared to have been grossly flawed by being held to a standard of scrutiny that no person usually gets. It seems everyone is Cardinal Richelieu now.
sublinear 2mo ago
Non-falsifiable statements aren't going to work here anymore. What's the point of writing great software if nobody else is going to use it, and how do we even confirm there are these alleged secret geniuses hiding away somewhere? Surely their work would leak out by some nth-order effect.
- Lerc 2mo ago
  What statement did I make that was unfalsifiable? I made a claim that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. That is not a claim of existence.

by Lerc 2mo ago

acdha 2mo ago

People are attacked for low quality. There are counter examples but it is definitely striking how infrequently you see a PR which doesn’t stand out for being turgid or flawed, and whose author clearly expects a cookie for their “contribution” of a couple minutes of prompting.

Lerc 2mo ago
Are you alleging that there are far more things that takes no effort than things that takes quite a lot of effort, You might have something there. It probably holds true for a lot of things. Either that or most gutairs sold are defective.

20k 2mo ago

You'd think one 10x engineer or one core developer already part of the project would have completely eclipsed all the other engineers, and worked around the difficulties there Or, failing that, you'd think any of these engineers - given the truly vast amount of programming power now available at their fingertips with their 10x productivity - would have simply replaced these projects. It'd only take a few 10xers who wanted to show that everyone else was wrong. That's how open source often works, someone just gets a been in their bonnet and then we get linux Instead: I can't find any of it. There's no evidence of this productivity boost in the wild. There aren't new high quality 10x open source projects springing up that are replacing everything. There aren't high quality LLM contributions, feature development isn't going faster. There's almost no evidence of high quality AI code generation at all in the open source space, existing projects or otherwise Where's all the code? I want the receipts if people are claiming a 10x productivity. Because at the moment, the much more likely explanation seems to be that its simply not true

Lerc 2mo ago
I can't point you at any because I don't want to send a mob their way. For any instances where people have made things and revealed them to the world have been declared to have been grossly flawed by being held to a standard of scrutiny that no person usually gets. It seems everyone is Cardinal Richelieu now.

sublinear 2mo ago

Non-falsifiable statements aren't going to work here anymore. What's the point of writing great software if nobody else is going to use it, and how do we even confirm there are these alleged secret geniuses hiding away somewhere? Surely their work would leak out by some nth-order effect.

Lerc 2mo ago
What statement did I make that was unfalsifiable? I made a claim that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. That is not a claim of existence.