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The goal of such policies is not to act as air tight measures but as deterrent/obstacles .. its not instantaneous in effect or benfit .. but over time it allows

The goal of such policies is not to act as air tight measures but as deterrent/obstacles .. its not instantaneous in effect or benfit .. but over time it allows other players (inside of that country) to fill that void .. and develop their own home grown solutions ..

mmooss 2mo ago
That doesn't seem to address the prior comment ? > over time it allows other players (inside of that country) to fill that void .. and develop their own home grown solutions .. By eliminating competition, it forces Americans to subsidize second-rate manufacturers, and to pay more to get less. What incentive do local manufacturers have to improve? Also, the US only has a fraction of world output; they can't replicate everything everyone else does.
- Danox 2mo ago
  That’s why tariffs banning and sanctioning every new product won't work particularly when so many of the American C class are looking to sub-out everything they can overseas for cheap labor you can have it both ways at least not for long.
- gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
  > forces Americans to subsidize second-rate manufacturers I think Anduril Industries is not a second rate company (not that you said they are) ... they explicitly focuses on manufacturing cheaper, mass produced drones/weapons to disrupt the traditional defense industry .. and therefore helps gov spend less and gain more .. not that the US needs you or I to second their more than half a century experience in making advanced aerial war fighting machinery ..
  - mmooss 2mo ago
    > Anduril Industries is not a second rate company Then they can compete successfully with non-US companies and protectionist tariffs are useless.
    - gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
      national security > free market capitalism
      - mmooss 2mo ago
        Go back up the thread and explain how it helps national security. So far there is no explanation of it. > national security > free market capitalism Also, claiming 'national security' is an old excuse to do anything. The current administration uses it to justify almost anything. These aren't absolutes - everything that possibly touches on national security isn't justifiable. And free markets are critical to national security - that's what gives the US and others a huge advantage in economic output and innovation.
        gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
        Nah .. you lost the argument and now ur demanding I defend your framing for you .. always remember .. you own the state .. the state doesn't owe you anything .. its first duty is to protect the country .. at whatever cost is necessary .. China does this overtly (hence it can strong arm anything it needs to strong arm out of its markets) .. Democracies do it through institutions, laws, and policy .. which aparently ur salty about ... PS: America is in the strongest position it's ever been, and your ideological discomfort doesn't change that mmoaner ;)
        mmooss 2mo ago
        You haven't supported your claims at all. That you turn to name-calling and provocation makes it seem more likely that you have nothing to stand on. > you own the state .. the state doesn't owe you anything .. its first duty is to protect the country .. at whatever cost is necessary That's the opposite of modern government: "...We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness--That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..." Note that the sole purpose of government is to protect the freedom and rights of each person, to the extent that if government "becomes destructive of these Ends", it is time to abolish it. There is no 'country' to serve, only the people in it. It's odd that, having this amazing, just political tradition handed to you, so strongly established over centuries and around the world, so extraordinarily successful beyond all others in freedom, prosperity, stability, and security, you would seek to undermine it and serve dictators who oppress, impoverish, and kill you. Why do you prefer a state that 'doesn't owe you anything'? > America is in the strongest position it's ever been You'll have to support that claim for it to have any meaning. Like the rest of what you've written on this page, it's just bytes otherwise.
Danox 2mo ago
They had their chance they decided to serve the American military. They don’t look at the civilian market as being profitable at least to their way of thinking. It will be interesting because the American drone companies are pretty much be an island of themselves. No one outside is going to bother buying them, particularly the part where this current government doesn’t like you and then tells you that they’re going to cut off your supply because you won’t do what they want. Would you buy under such terms?
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mmooss 2mo ago

That doesn't seem to address the prior comment ? > over time it allows other players (inside of that country) to fill that void .. and develop their own home grown solutions .. By eliminating competition, it forces Americans to subsidize second-rate manufacturers, and to pay more to get less. What incentive do local manufacturers have to improve? Also, the US only has a fraction of world output; they can't replicate everything everyone else does.

Danox 2mo ago
That’s why tariffs banning and sanctioning every new product won't work particularly when so many of the American C class are looking to sub-out everything they can overseas for cheap labor you can have it both ways at least not for long.
gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
> forces Americans to subsidize second-rate manufacturers I think Anduril Industries is not a second rate company (not that you said they are) ... they explicitly focuses on manufacturing cheaper, mass produced drones/weapons to disrupt the traditional defense industry .. and therefore helps gov spend less and gain more .. not that the US needs you or I to second their more than half a century experience in making advanced aerial war fighting machinery ..
- mmooss 2mo ago
  > Anduril Industries is not a second rate company Then they can compete successfully with non-US companies and protectionist tariffs are useless.
  - gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
    national security > free market capitalism
    - mmooss 2mo ago
      Go back up the thread and explain how it helps national security. So far there is no explanation of it. > national security > free market capitalism Also, claiming 'national security' is an old excuse to do anything. The current administration uses it to justify almost anything. These aren't absolutes - everything that possibly touches on national security isn't justifiable. And free markets are critical to national security - that's what gives the US and others a huge advantage in economic output and innovation.
      - gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
        Nah .. you lost the argument and now ur demanding I defend your framing for you .. always remember .. you own the state .. the state doesn't owe you anything .. its first duty is to protect the country .. at whatever cost is necessary .. China does this overtly (hence it can strong arm anything it needs to strong arm out of its markets) .. Democracies do it through institutions, laws, and policy .. which aparently ur salty about ... PS: America is in the strongest position it's ever been, and your ideological discomfort doesn't change that mmoaner ;)
        mmooss 2mo ago
        You haven't supported your claims at all. That you turn to name-calling and provocation makes it seem more likely that you have nothing to stand on. > you own the state .. the state doesn't owe you anything .. its first duty is to protect the country .. at whatever cost is necessary That's the opposite of modern government: "...We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness--That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..." Note that the sole purpose of government is to protect the freedom and rights of each person, to the extent that if government "becomes destructive of these Ends", it is time to abolish it. There is no 'country' to serve, only the people in it. It's odd that, having this amazing, just political tradition handed to you, so strongly established over centuries and around the world, so extraordinarily successful beyond all others in freedom, prosperity, stability, and security, you would seek to undermine it and serve dictators who oppress, impoverish, and kill you. Why do you prefer a state that 'doesn't owe you anything'? > America is in the strongest position it's ever been You'll have to support that claim for it to have any meaning. Like the rest of what you've written on this page, it's just bytes otherwise.

Danox 2mo ago

They had their chance they decided to serve the American military. They don’t look at the civilian market as being profitable at least to their way of thinking. It will be interesting because the American drone companies are pretty much be an island of themselves. No one outside is going to bother buying them, particularly the part where this current government doesn’t like you and then tells you that they’re going to cut off your supply because you won’t do what they want. Would you buy under such terms?

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