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What about Lidar-equipped (and why not, even cameras) foreign cars that scan every one of the country's roads and everything around them? Cars are increasingly

by buran77 2mo ago

What about Lidar-equipped (and why not, even cameras) foreign cars that scan every one of the country's roads and everything around them? Cars are increasingly packing this kind of tech and telemetry.

gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
i think its mostly to do with reach .. road only telemtry is much narrower in scope compared to a drones reach and also purpose built for mapping buildings, topography etc
- buran77 2mo ago
  There's a quality to the number, ubiquity, and unassuming nature of cars. They're everywhere all the time, and reach places where a drone would be at least highly suspicious. This ban makes sense if they suspect the enemy is covertly scanning using unsuspecting users' drones. But if they suspect foreign actors are using the drones to scan, well they won't be stopped or slowed down by the ban. Whoever is interested in targeted mapping of buildings and specific areas won't be put off by Lidar drones not being commercially available. Independently Lidars and drones still are, and combining the two for malicious purposes is a no-brainer.
gorgoiler 2mo ago
Volvo EX90 has a lovely lil bump above the windshield collecting LIDAR stats for some future purpose … Volvo … Li … Geely … PRC … feeling sleepy … can’t stay focused … everything is fine.
larpingscholar 2mo ago
Foreign lidar cars are already effectively banned under the same 7 year old (renewed yearly) "emergency powers" Executive Order that led to this drone ban. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/05/17/2019-10538/securing-the-information-and-communications-technology-and-services-supply-chain https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/05/17/2019-10... And more properly there is an introduced bipartisan bill - SAFE LiDAR Act.
- fc417fc802 2mo ago
  What does this accomplish versus directly banning the collection and exfiltration of data by foreign actors via consumer products? Like just make it illegal for products to unilaterally and automatically upload broad swaths of sensor data to foreign clouds (or preferably any clouds) and then prosecute any offenders. What am I missing?

by buran77 2mo ago

gyanchawdhary 2mo ago

i think its mostly to do with reach .. road only telemtry is much narrower in scope compared to a drones reach and also purpose built for mapping buildings, topography etc

buran77 2mo ago
There's a quality to the number, ubiquity, and unassuming nature of cars. They're everywhere all the time, and reach places where a drone would be at least highly suspicious. This ban makes sense if they suspect the enemy is covertly scanning using unsuspecting users' drones. But if they suspect foreign actors are using the drones to scan, well they won't be stopped or slowed down by the ban. Whoever is interested in targeted mapping of buildings and specific areas won't be put off by Lidar drones not being commercially available. Independently Lidars and drones still are, and combining the two for malicious purposes is a no-brainer.

gorgoiler 2mo ago

Volvo EX90 has a lovely lil bump above the windshield collecting LIDAR stats for some future purpose … Volvo … Li … Geely … PRC … feeling sleepy … can’t stay focused … everything is fine.

larpingscholar 2mo ago

Foreign lidar cars are already effectively banned under the same 7 year old (renewed yearly) "emergency powers" Executive Order that led to this drone ban. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/05/17/2019-10538/securing-the-information-and-communications-technology-and-services-supply-chain https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/05/17/2019-10... And more properly there is an introduced bipartisan bill - SAFE LiDAR Act.

fc417fc802 2mo ago
What does this accomplish versus directly banning the collection and exfiltration of data by foreign actors via consumer products? Like just make it illegal for products to unilaterally and automatically upload broad swaths of sensor data to foreign clouds (or preferably any clouds) and then prosecute any offenders. What am I missing?