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FCC's move is fair .. an adjacent view to this is best summed up by Palmer Lucky in this interview (https://www.hoover.org/research/palmer-luckey-wants-america-

FCC's move is fair .. an adjacent view to this is best summed up by Palmer Lucky in this interview (https://www.hoover.org/research/palmer-luckey-wants-america-win https://www.hoover.org/research/palmer-luckey-wants-america-...?) ... “Imagine if there had been a novel … like a Tom Clancy novel” where, during the Cold War, the Pentagon’s most secure electronics would be made by the Soviet Union under Kremlin supervision .. Imagine running an aerial LiDAR/SLAM over gov sites .. mil bases .. ports .. airports .. power plants ... eeven if the system is completely benign .. ur talking about a technology whose output can be an extremely detailed representation of the physical environmen.

edaemon 2mo ago
Palmer Luckey owns a drone company. He can't have an objective opinion on his competitors being banned.
- tamimio 2mo ago
  That’s the crux part, all these local companies are fear mongering the public and gaslighting the dinosaurs in the gov so they can kill competitors and get rewarded millions dollars contracts. These “concerns” are laughable for anyone who knows a bit about drones, you can build diy drones and strap an iPhone on it and you get outcome than any dji drone out there.
  - gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
    you can build diy drones and strap an iPhone on it and you get outcome than any dji drone out there. < true. Serious question, which drone makers would you say are superior over those that are fear mongering to get million dollar contracts ?
- Danox 2mo ago
  He won’t be so lucky because no one outside the United States is gonna buy his stuff, but he doesn’t really want to sell it to anyone but the American military anyway at a inflated price.
  - red-iron-pine 2mo ago
    > but he doesn’t really want to sell it to anyone but the American military anyway at a inflated price. that's a fancy way of saying "grifting the taxpayer" and what is the US military using their powers for these days anyway?
llm_nerd 2mo ago
This move has nothing to do with national security. It, like everything else this administration has done, is protectionism where some groups that have bribed Trump or have his halfwit children as beneficiaries get to move into the vacuum left by vastly superior options being banned from the market. > best summed up by Palmer Lucky Oh gosh, by the guy with the drone company? Surely 100% sincere, honest commentary! No way it's self-serving nonsense. > Imagine running an aerial LiDAR/SLAM over gov sites .. mil bases .. ports .. airports .. power plants ... eeven if the system is completely benign .. ur talking about a technology whose output can be an extremely detailed representation of the physical environmen. For most of this they could find any number of commercial providers with extremely precise maps. I mean, you understand that satellites are doing this now, right? I'm sure Palmer just forgot to mention that. China's last gen satellites we know create a 3D map within 10cm accuracy, and they're probably better now.
- gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
  basically you are saying this is 100% corruption and self serving by the Donald Trump (loser) and his children (half witted ones) and that DJI or other foreign drone manifacturers for that matter are not a threat to US national security. Also that Palmer Lucky is a self serving tosser. Understood.
  - llm_nerd 2mo ago
    I was incredibly overt, so what is the point of your ridiculous summary? Yes, this administration is unbelievably corrupt -- the pedo rapist felon literally launched a shitcoin and did a rugpull, and sells early access to his insane tweets or whatever stupid names he gives them overtly to allow insider trading along with his children -- so pretending like you're pointing out my TDS or something is hilarious stuff. Everything this administration does is corruption, and it's so hilariously in the open now that people like you just look foolish trying to run cover. And yes, when you have to cite a literal drone maker to sell their position... good god man.
    - gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
mmooss 2mo ago
> the Pentagon’s most secure electronics would be made by the Soviet Union under Kremlin supervision What electronics here are among the Pentagon's most secure? Why would the Pentagon have to buy LIDAR from a Chinese company? Will we ban every import of something the Pentagon might buy? > Imagine running an aerial LiDAR/SLAM over gov sites > a technology whose output can be an extremely detailed representation of the physical environmen. How do you evision those things happening? How are either of those things prevented by this ban?
- gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
  The goal of such policies is not to act as air tight measures but as deterrent/obstacles .. its not instantaneous in effect or benfit .. but over time it allows other players (inside of that country) to fill that void .. and develop their own home grown solutions ..
  - mmooss 2mo ago
    That doesn't seem to address the prior comment ? > over time it allows other players (inside of that country) to fill that void .. and develop their own home grown solutions .. By eliminating competition, it forces Americans to subsidize second-rate manufacturers, and to pay more to get less. What incentive do local manufacturers have to improve? Also, the US only has a fraction of world output; they can't replicate everything everyone else does.
    - Danox 2mo ago
      That’s why tariffs banning and sanctioning every new product won't work particularly when so many of the American C class are looking to sub-out everything they can overseas for cheap labor you can have it both ways at least not for long.
    - gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
      > forces Americans to subsidize second-rate manufacturers I think Anduril Industries is not a second rate company (not that you said they are) ... they explicitly focuses on manufacturing cheaper, mass produced drones/weapons to disrupt the traditional defense industry .. and therefore helps gov spend less and gain more .. not that the US needs you or I to second their more than half a century experience in making advanced aerial war fighting machinery ..
mrandish 2mo ago
Even if one accepts this argument as valid, an outright ban on an entire technology is the most freedom restricting, invasive, economically disruptive remedy possible. There are more targeted remedies which can be equally effective for national security purposes but, coincidentally, those remedies aren't as protectionist.
Danox 2mo ago
What is there to imagine all the major countries in the world have satellites in space there is no place to hide, the only question is, will you make things within your territory that work well that also sell to the rest of the world, the Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans seem to understand. Everything is coming back around full circle for America. Banning and sanctioning good products from around the world isn’t gonna work long-term. You also have to make things within your country and you have to pay a fair wage in the end… America is going to have to recalibrate and except the fact that if you want good products, you’re gonna have to do it in country more often and you’re gonna have to pay the price or you are going to be isolated from the rest of the world.

edaemon 2mo ago

Palmer Luckey owns a drone company. He can't have an objective opinion on his competitors being banned.

tamimio 2mo ago
That’s the crux part, all these local companies are fear mongering the public and gaslighting the dinosaurs in the gov so they can kill competitors and get rewarded millions dollars contracts. These “concerns” are laughable for anyone who knows a bit about drones, you can build diy drones and strap an iPhone on it and you get outcome than any dji drone out there.
- gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
  you can build diy drones and strap an iPhone on it and you get outcome than any dji drone out there. < true. Serious question, which drone makers would you say are superior over those that are fear mongering to get million dollar contracts ?
Danox 2mo ago
He won’t be so lucky because no one outside the United States is gonna buy his stuff, but he doesn’t really want to sell it to anyone but the American military anyway at a inflated price.
- red-iron-pine 2mo ago
  > but he doesn’t really want to sell it to anyone but the American military anyway at a inflated price. that's a fancy way of saying "grifting the taxpayer" and what is the US military using their powers for these days anyway?

llm_nerd 2mo ago

This move has nothing to do with national security. It, like everything else this administration has done, is protectionism where some groups that have bribed Trump or have his halfwit children as beneficiaries get to move into the vacuum left by vastly superior options being banned from the market. > best summed up by Palmer Lucky Oh gosh, by the guy with the drone company? Surely 100% sincere, honest commentary! No way it's self-serving nonsense. > Imagine running an aerial LiDAR/SLAM over gov sites .. mil bases .. ports .. airports .. power plants ... eeven if the system is completely benign .. ur talking about a technology whose output can be an extremely detailed representation of the physical environmen. For most of this they could find any number of commercial providers with extremely precise maps. I mean, you understand that satellites are doing this now, right? I'm sure Palmer just forgot to mention that. China's last gen satellites we know create a 3D map within 10cm accuracy, and they're probably better now.

gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
basically you are saying this is 100% corruption and self serving by the Donald Trump (loser) and his children (half witted ones) and that DJI or other foreign drone manifacturers for that matter are not a threat to US national security. Also that Palmer Lucky is a self serving tosser. Understood.
- llm_nerd 2mo ago
  I was incredibly overt, so what is the point of your ridiculous summary? Yes, this administration is unbelievably corrupt -- the pedo rapist felon literally launched a shitcoin and did a rugpull, and sells early access to his insane tweets or whatever stupid names he gives them overtly to allow insider trading along with his children -- so pretending like you're pointing out my TDS or something is hilarious stuff. Everything this administration does is corruption, and it's so hilariously in the open now that people like you just look foolish trying to run cover. And yes, when you have to cite a literal drone maker to sell their position... good god man.
  - gyanchawdhary 2mo ago

mmooss 2mo ago

> the Pentagon’s most secure electronics would be made by the Soviet Union under Kremlin supervision What electronics here are among the Pentagon's most secure? Why would the Pentagon have to buy LIDAR from a Chinese company? Will we ban every import of something the Pentagon might buy? > Imagine running an aerial LiDAR/SLAM over gov sites > a technology whose output can be an extremely detailed representation of the physical environmen. How do you evision those things happening? How are either of those things prevented by this ban?

gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
The goal of such policies is not to act as air tight measures but as deterrent/obstacles .. its not instantaneous in effect or benfit .. but over time it allows other players (inside of that country) to fill that void .. and develop their own home grown solutions ..
- mmooss 2mo ago
  That doesn't seem to address the prior comment ? > over time it allows other players (inside of that country) to fill that void .. and develop their own home grown solutions .. By eliminating competition, it forces Americans to subsidize second-rate manufacturers, and to pay more to get less. What incentive do local manufacturers have to improve? Also, the US only has a fraction of world output; they can't replicate everything everyone else does.
  - Danox 2mo ago
    That’s why tariffs banning and sanctioning every new product won't work particularly when so many of the American C class are looking to sub-out everything they can overseas for cheap labor you can have it both ways at least not for long.
  - gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
    > forces Americans to subsidize second-rate manufacturers I think Anduril Industries is not a second rate company (not that you said they are) ... they explicitly focuses on manufacturing cheaper, mass produced drones/weapons to disrupt the traditional defense industry .. and therefore helps gov spend less and gain more .. not that the US needs you or I to second their more than half a century experience in making advanced aerial war fighting machinery ..

mrandish 2mo ago

Even if one accepts this argument as valid, an outright ban on an entire technology is the most freedom restricting, invasive, economically disruptive remedy possible. There are more targeted remedies which can be equally effective for national security purposes but, coincidentally, those remedies aren't as protectionist.

Danox 2mo ago

What is there to imagine all the major countries in the world have satellites in space there is no place to hide, the only question is, will you make things within your territory that work well that also sell to the rest of the world, the Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans seem to understand. Everything is coming back around full circle for America. Banning and sanctioning good products from around the world isn’t gonna work long-term. You also have to make things within your country and you have to pay a fair wage in the end… America is going to have to recalibrate and except the fact that if you want good products, you’re gonna have to do it in country more often and you’re gonna have to pay the price or you are going to be isolated from the rest of the world.