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This is such a tired take. Aerospace engineers who build rockets do not have some certification body allowing them to be called engineers. Same with most elect

This is such a tired take. Aerospace engineers who build rockets do not have some certification body allowing them to be called engineers. Same with most electrical engineers working on almost everything. If you think a government deciding who is an engineer is a *good* thing then maybe you should ask yourself why the United States which doesn't require this for the two non-software engineering disciplines has the best engineers in the world.

mattkrause 2mo ago
Annoyingly, the US government still sometimes does. If you want to take the patent agent exam, your CS degree has to come from an ABET-accredited program, though many of the very good ones aren't (Stanford, CMU). Likewise, federal jobs also sometimes seem to want accreditation but not always.
deterministic 2mo ago
> has the best engineers in the world Really? What evidence do you have for that? Are you saying that companies like Airbus, Mercedes-Benz, Ferrari, ASML, Leonardo, Rolls-Royce, Dassault Aviation, Toyota, Bosch, Komatsu, Siemens, ABB, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Alstom, Vestas, Samsung, Sony, Hyundai Heavy Industries, Mitsubishi Shipbuilding etc. don't have world class engineers?
- SR2Z 2mo ago
  The United States has the best engineers because it pays the best. Good engineers from other places move here to capture some of that. Obviously strict licensing laws would get in the way of that. Outside of some exceptions which don't really exist in the US (shipbuilding and heavy forging) the American companies in those industries are highly competitive and often market share leaders.
  - deterministic 2mo ago
    > The United States has the best engineers because it pays the best Nope. There are many counter examples of companies being world leading without paying world leading salaries to their engineers. It's a big mistake to believe that the only thing all engineers care about is $. Yes it is true for some engineers but not for all.
    - SR2Z 1mo ago
      It's true for most engineers (most human beings, really) and not by a small margin.

mattkrause 2mo ago

Annoyingly, the US government still sometimes does. If you want to take the patent agent exam, your CS degree has to come from an ABET-accredited program, though many of the very good ones aren't (Stanford, CMU). Likewise, federal jobs also sometimes seem to want accreditation but not always.

deterministic 2mo ago

> has the best engineers in the world Really? What evidence do you have for that? Are you saying that companies like Airbus, Mercedes-Benz, Ferrari, ASML, Leonardo, Rolls-Royce, Dassault Aviation, Toyota, Bosch, Komatsu, Siemens, ABB, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Alstom, Vestas, Samsung, Sony, Hyundai Heavy Industries, Mitsubishi Shipbuilding etc. don't have world class engineers?

SR2Z 2mo ago
The United States has the best engineers because it pays the best. Good engineers from other places move here to capture some of that. Obviously strict licensing laws would get in the way of that. Outside of some exceptions which don't really exist in the US (shipbuilding and heavy forging) the American companies in those industries are highly competitive and often market share leaders.
- deterministic 2mo ago
  > The United States has the best engineers because it pays the best Nope. There are many counter examples of companies being world leading without paying world leading salaries to their engineers. It's a big mistake to believe that the only thing all engineers care about is $. Yes it is true for some engineers but not for all.
  - SR2Z 1mo ago
    It's true for most engineers (most human beings, really) and not by a small margin.