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This has nothing to do with Gruber fans or not. Your take just isn't as smart as you thought it is. Highly regarded newspapers, tv programs or books have update

by dewey 2mo ago

This has nothing to do with Gruber fans or not. Your take just isn't as smart as you thought it is. Highly regarded newspapers, tv programs or books have updates / retractions all the time as even with the best fact checking it's possible that something slips through.

qarl2 2mo ago
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- dewey 2mo ago
  I've only changed "redactions" into "updates / retractions" as that was a typo. Please take a look at https://www.nytimes.com/international/section/corrections https://www.nytimes.com/international/section/corrections for a small selection of what slips through fact checking on a well established and reputable newspaper.
  - qarl2 2mo ago
    I don't doubt that massive organizations make a lot of errors. I don't think it makes your point, tho. The question is error per volume. I seriously doubt Gruber does the same amount of fact checking as a serious publication. And that was my point above. But I could be wrong - if you actually know I'd love the answer.
    - dewey 2mo ago
      If your question is if a single person running a private blog has the same fact checking resources as a big news corporation, the answer is no but I'm not sure why you'd need me to tell you that. As mentioned in Gruber's retraction (https://daringfireball.net/2026/08/retraction_app_store_rejection_of_the_week https://daringfireball.net/2026/08/retraction_app_store_reje...) it's the first time he had to retract something in 24 years. It doesn't really make sense to compare the two in any case as the stakes and resources are very different.
      - qarl2 2mo ago
        No, my question is whether the per-story fact checking is equal, or much less. I suspect it's much less. Do you know otherwise?
        lostlogin 2mo ago
        > my question is whether the per-story fact checking is equal, or much less. How could a one man operation have the fact checking machinery of some big paper, eg the NYT? Of course it’s less. Keep in mind that he usually posts multiple times per weekday.
        qarl2 2mo ago
        No. You misunderstand my question. Again. I want to know if the human effort, per story, is the same as other publications. Does Gruber make a real fact checking effort, or does he merely trust his gut?
        chipotle_coyote 2mo ago
        The retraction post from Gruber details ways in which he tried to fact-check this, including confirming that his understanding was correct with Mr. Godier and even running a draft of the post by him to make sure he'd stated the "facts" that Godier presented him correctly. I'm not really sure what you're implicitly expecting him to have done "better" here. Ask Godier for a signed affidavit? Not publish this until he could get a statement from Apple to get their side of the story? (Which is to say, not publish it at all because the chances of Apple giving anyone "their side" of something like this is essentially zero.)
        ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
        I don't know, maybe google a few things? The most obvious search terms for me, turned up the pre-existence of the legitimate astronomy app, not to mention the trademarked name collision with a horror video game. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49217212 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49217212 Perhaps engage critical thinking? Apply the CRAAP Test? Seek some independent confirmation of facts, rather than just being a mouthpiece for some hysterical acquaintance? If I had a Bitcoin for every time I heard some gamer was "banned for no reason!!1" Apple could've denied the app just for clashing with the name of an existing game... a game that involved demons tossing fortune-telling cards around

by dewey 2mo ago

qarl2 2mo ago

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dewey 2mo ago
I've only changed "redactions" into "updates / retractions" as that was a typo. Please take a look at https://www.nytimes.com/international/section/corrections https://www.nytimes.com/international/section/corrections for a small selection of what slips through fact checking on a well established and reputable newspaper.
- qarl2 2mo ago
  I don't doubt that massive organizations make a lot of errors. I don't think it makes your point, tho. The question is error per volume. I seriously doubt Gruber does the same amount of fact checking as a serious publication. And that was my point above. But I could be wrong - if you actually know I'd love the answer.
  - dewey 2mo ago
    If your question is if a single person running a private blog has the same fact checking resources as a big news corporation, the answer is no but I'm not sure why you'd need me to tell you that. As mentioned in Gruber's retraction (https://daringfireball.net/2026/08/retraction_app_store_rejection_of_the_week https://daringfireball.net/2026/08/retraction_app_store_reje...) it's the first time he had to retract something in 24 years. It doesn't really make sense to compare the two in any case as the stakes and resources are very different.
    - qarl2 2mo ago
      No, my question is whether the per-story fact checking is equal, or much less. I suspect it's much less. Do you know otherwise?
      - lostlogin 2mo ago
        > my question is whether the per-story fact checking is equal, or much less. How could a one man operation have the fact checking machinery of some big paper, eg the NYT? Of course it’s less. Keep in mind that he usually posts multiple times per weekday.
        qarl2 2mo ago
        No. You misunderstand my question. Again. I want to know if the human effort, per story, is the same as other publications. Does Gruber make a real fact checking effort, or does he merely trust his gut?
        chipotle_coyote 2mo ago
        The retraction post from Gruber details ways in which he tried to fact-check this, including confirming that his understanding was correct with Mr. Godier and even running a draft of the post by him to make sure he'd stated the "facts" that Godier presented him correctly. I'm not really sure what you're implicitly expecting him to have done "better" here. Ask Godier for a signed affidavit? Not publish this until he could get a statement from Apple to get their side of the story? (Which is to say, not publish it at all because the chances of Apple giving anyone "their side" of something like this is essentially zero.)
        ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
        I don't know, maybe google a few things? The most obvious search terms for me, turned up the pre-existence of the legitimate astronomy app, not to mention the trademarked name collision with a horror video game. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49217212 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49217212 Perhaps engage critical thinking? Apply the CRAAP Test? Seek some independent confirmation of facts, rather than just being a mouthpiece for some hysterical acquaintance? If I had a Bitcoin for every time I heard some gamer was "banned for no reason!!1" Apple could've denied the app just for clashing with the name of an existing game... a game that involved demons tossing fortune-telling cards around