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It's hard to believe that people "have never seen this behaviour" have spent much time watching the OSS community. Ulrich Dreper, well known OSS contributor and

It's hard to believe that people "have never seen this behaviour" have spent much time watching the OSS community. Ulrich Dreper, well known OSS contributor and former steward of glibc, was famous for flaming the ever-living shit out of anyone who dared submit a patch that he in any way did not care for. To give but one example, http://www.sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2000-08/msg00053.html http://www.sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2000-08/msg00053.htm...

debacle 14y ago
That was flaming the ever-living shit out of someone? Seems like he's trying to keep his stdlib clean and efficient.
- msbarnett 14y ago
  So it's not that you've never seen this behavior in your tenure as " a contributor to open source projects for almost ten years", it's just that you think toxic behavior is acceptable. That's, at least, a more intellectually honest position than your previous claim. There are a lot of ways to reject a patch on the grounds of cleanness and efficiency that don't involve deriding the contributor's work as "BSD crap" that only helps people who "deserve to be punished". Drepper was a monumental asshole, and he deeply hurt the glibc project for years.
  - debacle 14y ago
    Toxic? Really? Lighten up, Francis.
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    - wpietri 14y ago
      Toxic is exactly the correct word. It poisons the community and kills morale. If an employee of mine were ever using that tone around the office, we would be making a quick trip to a small conference room to discuss appropriate behavior toward colleagues. If it kept up, they'd be gone. Because somebody would eventually be leaving over that behavior, and I'd rather it be the perp than the victims.
  - boboblong 14y ago
    >it's just that you think toxic behavior is acceptable. You think that calling someone's idea crappy is unacceptable? In what sense of the word? Are you saying that it should be illegal to make fun of someone's ideas?
jessaustin 14y ago
Surely we can find a better example of this supposedly widespread behavior than this. Reading that whole thread, it's clear that this Christopher guy hasn't even considered issues that are quite important to Ulrich and his collaborators. Then when his failure to consider is pointed out, instead of taking the lesson to heart he doubles down with unconvincing, unrelated arguments. That is "crap", and that's what Ulrich called it.
paulhauggis 14y ago
I feel like many leaders of OSS projects never had any power in life and abuse it when they finally get a little bit. This sort of behavior is childish and I would never be a part of a project with someone like this (or hire anyone with this sort of behavior).

debacle 14y ago

That was flaming the ever-living shit out of someone? Seems like he's trying to keep his stdlib clean and efficient.

msbarnett 14y ago
So it's not that you've never seen this behavior in your tenure as " a contributor to open source projects for almost ten years", it's just that you think toxic behavior is acceptable. That's, at least, a more intellectually honest position than your previous claim. There are a lot of ways to reject a patch on the grounds of cleanness and efficiency that don't involve deriding the contributor's work as "BSD crap" that only helps people who "deserve to be punished". Drepper was a monumental asshole, and he deeply hurt the glibc project for years.
- debacle 14y ago
  Toxic? Really? Lighten up, Francis.
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  - wpietri 14y ago
    Toxic is exactly the correct word. It poisons the community and kills morale. If an employee of mine were ever using that tone around the office, we would be making a quick trip to a small conference room to discuss appropriate behavior toward colleagues. If it kept up, they'd be gone. Because somebody would eventually be leaving over that behavior, and I'd rather it be the perp than the victims.
- boboblong 14y ago
  >it's just that you think toxic behavior is acceptable. You think that calling someone's idea crappy is unacceptable? In what sense of the word? Are you saying that it should be illegal to make fun of someone's ideas?

jessaustin 14y ago

Surely we can find a better example of this supposedly widespread behavior than this. Reading that whole thread, it's clear that this Christopher guy hasn't even considered issues that are quite important to Ulrich and his collaborators. Then when his failure to consider is pointed out, instead of taking the lesson to heart he doubles down with unconvincing, unrelated arguments. That is "crap", and that's what Ulrich called it.

paulhauggis 14y ago

I feel like many leaders of OSS projects never had any power in life and abuse it when they finally get a little bit. This sort of behavior is childish and I would never be a part of a project with someone like this (or hire anyone with this sort of behavior).