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> all support age verification No, they all support harvesting your data so they can continue doing what they do best: building shadow profiles and targeting a

> all support age verification No, they all support harvesting your data so they can continue doing what they do best: building shadow profiles and targeting ads. Nothing a signal of an age group tells them more than "send me more ads for XX year-olds". Why do you think it's always a question asked in online surveys?

nl 2mo ago
>> for their ad platforms gives better data > No, they all support harvesting your data so they can continue doing what they do best: building shadow profiles and targeting ads. I think we are agreeing adamantly here?
- lukeschlather 2mo ago
  You said that Meta doesn't want to be responsible for age verification - they absolutely do, because that gives them every single user's identity. Forcing it at the OS level is not an attempt to put the responsibility on the OS, it's an attempt to drive a wedge into the OS where Apple can't hide users' identities.
  - inigyou 2mo ago
    Apple wouldn't give the identity to Facebook, only the age bracket.
  - throwawayffffas 2mo ago
    No, they are far more cunning than you give them credit, they want to have the information but bare no responsibility for both collecting and validating it themselves nor for when the kids circumvent it. So they are in the golden zone of maximum exploitation and plausible deniability. They will literally say: Of course, we showed that one teen 500 gambling and porn ads a day, Apple/Google/Microsoft told us he is 65, it's their fault! Sure every other word he posted was rizz, but how could we possibly know he was not 65.
  - nl 2mo ago
    > You said that Meta doesn't want to be responsible for age verification - they absolutely do No, they really, really do not! In their own words: > There is a practical framework that directly answers the complex logistical challenges I’ve laid out: centralizing age verification and parental approval at the app store level. App stores are already the gateway through which teens access every app on their phones. And we don’t have to start from scratch. Apple and Google already collect age information when a parent sets up their teen’s phone, and they already have systems in place to obtain parental approval before teens can make purchases. We’re simply asking that this same mechanism be extended to all app downloads. By verifying a person’s age just once at this device level, the phone itself acts as a single, secure checkpoint. https://about.fb.com/news/2026/06/how-to-verify-age-online/ https://about.fb.com/news/2026/06/how-to-verify-age-online/ Or: > Meta has been lobbying the federal government for new rules to implement age verification at the app store level — which would put the burden on companies like Apple and Google, not individual platforms like Meta’s Facebook and Instagram. https://www.nationalobserver.com/2025/11/25/news/meta-lobbying-app-store-age-verification-law-liberal-government https://www.nationalobserver.com/2025/11/25/news/meta-lobbyi... Or: > Now they [ed: Meta] want Apple and Google to build similar systems that every app can access, turning age verification into persistent device fingerprinting.... The proposed laws hammer Apple's App Store and Google Play with compliance requirements but reportedly spare social media platforms https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-behind-meta-154717384.html?guccounter=1 https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-beh...
  - spl757 2mo ago
    This shifts the blame, and they get the data to sell to data brokers. Less accountability, same access to info.
- inigyou 2mo ago
  No, because these laws give them less data. But they also give them less liability which is what they care more about in this instance.
cyanydeez 2mo ago
eh, I'd say their lawyers want them to not be liable for the utter harms their apps have on children. The other stuff they already get enough off. They dont need to know you're over 18. They don't want the liabilities of children killing themselves because an AI app told them something stupid.
jareklupinski 2mo ago
thats why i always click 25-34 those buckets get the funnest ads
lern_too_spel 2mo ago
Online surveys are for age ranges of people who aren't minors. Minors aren't allowed to have their data targeted for advertising. If access to this signal can be used to show they were targeted deliberately, that can warrant setting fines near the limit.

nl 2mo ago

>> for their ad platforms gives better data > No, they all support harvesting your data so they can continue doing what they do best: building shadow profiles and targeting ads. I think we are agreeing adamantly here?

lukeschlather 2mo ago
You said that Meta doesn't want to be responsible for age verification - they absolutely do, because that gives them every single user's identity. Forcing it at the OS level is not an attempt to put the responsibility on the OS, it's an attempt to drive a wedge into the OS where Apple can't hide users' identities.
- inigyou 2mo ago
  Apple wouldn't give the identity to Facebook, only the age bracket.
- throwawayffffas 2mo ago
  No, they are far more cunning than you give them credit, they want to have the information but bare no responsibility for both collecting and validating it themselves nor for when the kids circumvent it. So they are in the golden zone of maximum exploitation and plausible deniability. They will literally say: Of course, we showed that one teen 500 gambling and porn ads a day, Apple/Google/Microsoft told us he is 65, it's their fault! Sure every other word he posted was rizz, but how could we possibly know he was not 65.
- nl 2mo ago
  > You said that Meta doesn't want to be responsible for age verification - they absolutely do No, they really, really do not! In their own words: > There is a practical framework that directly answers the complex logistical challenges I’ve laid out: centralizing age verification and parental approval at the app store level. App stores are already the gateway through which teens access every app on their phones. And we don’t have to start from scratch. Apple and Google already collect age information when a parent sets up their teen’s phone, and they already have systems in place to obtain parental approval before teens can make purchases. We’re simply asking that this same mechanism be extended to all app downloads. By verifying a person’s age just once at this device level, the phone itself acts as a single, secure checkpoint. https://about.fb.com/news/2026/06/how-to-verify-age-online/ https://about.fb.com/news/2026/06/how-to-verify-age-online/ Or: > Meta has been lobbying the federal government for new rules to implement age verification at the app store level — which would put the burden on companies like Apple and Google, not individual platforms like Meta’s Facebook and Instagram. https://www.nationalobserver.com/2025/11/25/news/meta-lobbying-app-store-age-verification-law-liberal-government https://www.nationalobserver.com/2025/11/25/news/meta-lobbyi... Or: > Now they [ed: Meta] want Apple and Google to build similar systems that every app can access, turning age verification into persistent device fingerprinting.... The proposed laws hammer Apple's App Store and Google Play with compliance requirements but reportedly spare social media platforms https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-behind-meta-154717384.html?guccounter=1 https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-beh...
- spl757 2mo ago
  This shifts the blame, and they get the data to sell to data brokers. Less accountability, same access to info.
inigyou 2mo ago
No, because these laws give them less data. But they also give them less liability which is what they care more about in this instance.

cyanydeez 2mo ago

eh, I'd say their lawyers want them to not be liable for the utter harms their apps have on children. The other stuff they already get enough off. They dont need to know you're over 18. They don't want the liabilities of children killing themselves because an AI app told them something stupid.

jareklupinski 2mo ago

thats why i always click 25-34 those buckets get the funnest ads

lern_too_spel 2mo ago

Online surveys are for age ranges of people who aren't minors. Minors aren't allowed to have their data targeted for advertising. If access to this signal can be used to show they were targeted deliberately, that can warrant setting fines near the limit.