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Thanks for the link, I think there were some good insights here. I'm a law school dropout myself, having left after the first semester (I got an MS in Engineer
by geebee 14y ago
Thanks for the link, I think there were some good insights here.
I'm a law school dropout myself, having left after the first semester (I got an MS in Engineering instead). To me, the big problem isn't that there are all these law grads, it's that you have to go through three years of law school in order to sit for the bar exam.
While I was only there for a semester, I did pass all my courses and leave in good academic standing. I just didn't want to waste (EDIT: spend) any more time on the subject. In my opinion, it could easily be an undergraduate major, or a shorter master's degree. Unlike grad school in Sci/Eng, where there's no way to take the classes without a specialized background, law really doesn't need to be a grad degree.
For example, my graduate course in Advanced Nonlinear Optimization, were you deal with optimality in equations with multiple variables subject to multiple (nonlinear) constraints, obviously required a certain math background. You need to know calculus, and you need to be able to deal with differential equations, or at least handle first and second order partial derivatives in equations with multiple variables. You also really do need a course in linear algebra, and you probably should have at least a couple of theory courses under your belt, because you are going to need to do some proofs. So, you know, grad degree.
While torts, civil procedure, and contracts do require the ability to read some dense material,make sense of it, and write about it, there's really no "need" for an undergraduate degree in English or History. I'm also highly skeptical that three years of graduate study are at all required. I think that top students are more than capable of mastering this coursework at a far more rapid rate.
The problem to me isn't that lawyers aren't finding jobs, it's that people have to spend far too much time and go far too deeply into debt to get this credential. Feel free to keep the bar exam and make it hard. If it were an undergrad degree, and students could graduate for little or no debt, they'd be able to either 1) work for less, and get legal services to people who actually desperately need them, or 2) do what a lot of people do - go outside your field and find a job. I haven't found a lot of call for writing proofs about convex sets. It's hardly some great tragedy that I instead learned about programming and found gainful employment that way.