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Australian companies are also subject to the USA Cloud Act. As is the UK, with Canada coming on board soon too. Even the entire EU is in the process of negotia

by petcat 2mo ago

Australian companies are also subject to the USA Cloud Act. As is the UK, with Canada coming on board soon too. Even the entire EU is in the process of negotiating the same agreement. https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/united-states-and-canada-welcome-negotiations-cloud-act-agreement https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/united-states-and-ca... https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-and-european-commission-announces-resumption-us-and-eu-negotiations https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-a...

yborg 2mo ago
Your linked information doesn't indicate anywhere that Australia or any other foreign government is subject to US law. The latter states that negotiation with the EU on this topic was suspended in 2019. Things have changed. With Chinese law in regards to data within Chinese jurisdiction a long-standing thing and an unfriendly American government potentially in power for an extended period, other countries are realizing the importance of data sovereignty.
- petcat 2mo ago
  https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-oia/cloud-act-agreement-between-governments-us-and-australia https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-oia/cloud-act-agre... > The latter states that negotiation with the EU on this topic was suspended in 2019. Dated 2023: > Justice Department and European Commission Announces Resumption of U.S. and EU Negotiations on Electronic Evidence in Criminal Investigations The negotiations are still ongoing. Canada is further along than the EU.
jorvi 2mo ago
That is plain wrong, and on top of that, the CLOUD act doesn't really solve anything because if the order to obtain data is legal for the US arm but illegal for the EU arm, releasing the data from say Ireland to the US would immediately lead to steep monetary and legal penalties for the EU arm.
- petcat 2mo ago
  It is not wrong... You can read the text right here: https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-oia/cloud-act-agreement-between-governments-us-and-australia https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-oia/cloud-act-agre... The same agreement is in place with the UK. Canada and EU are currently in the process of negotiating it.

by petcat 2mo ago

yborg 2mo ago

Your linked information doesn't indicate anywhere that Australia or any other foreign government is subject to US law. The latter states that negotiation with the EU on this topic was suspended in 2019. Things have changed. With Chinese law in regards to data within Chinese jurisdiction a long-standing thing and an unfriendly American government potentially in power for an extended period, other countries are realizing the importance of data sovereignty.

petcat 2mo ago
https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-oia/cloud-act-agreement-between-governments-us-and-australia https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-oia/cloud-act-agre... > The latter states that negotiation with the EU on this topic was suspended in 2019. Dated 2023: > Justice Department and European Commission Announces Resumption of U.S. and EU Negotiations on Electronic Evidence in Criminal Investigations The negotiations are still ongoing. Canada is further along than the EU.

jorvi 2mo ago

That is plain wrong, and on top of that, the CLOUD act doesn't really solve anything because if the order to obtain data is legal for the US arm but illegal for the EU arm, releasing the data from say Ireland to the US would immediately lead to steep monetary and legal penalties for the EU arm.

petcat 2mo ago
It is not wrong... You can read the text right here: https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-oia/cloud-act-agreement-between-governments-us-and-australia https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-oia/cloud-act-agre... The same agreement is in place with the UK. Canada and EU are currently in the process of negotiating it.