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Maybe this is one of those topics to let an army of agents get loose. Nothing to lose and a lot to gain.

truncate 2mo ago
This is also one of things that needs to be well optimized to be any useful. Army of agents may get an implementation, but not sure it will be actually useful, and I'm also not sure if optimizing that implementation is going to be easier than more well paced use of LLM where person actually understands what code is being generated.
- wrobelda 2mo ago
  You seem to contradict yourself. Army of agents doesn't mean the person doing that doesn't understand the code. And optimization is required no matter whether the bulk of the code is written by hand or by the machine. LLMs definitely make things actually doable where previously they were nearly impossible.
  - acedTrex 2mo ago
    > Army of agents doesn't mean the person doing that doesn't understand the code This is quite literally, objectively what it means lol. No human will ever seen it.
    - KetoManx64 2mo ago
      I'm not sure where you're getting the "objectively" from except from your self definition of what it means to let an AI agent work on a project.
      - truncate 2mo ago
        A single agent can produce enough code that even a team human can't reasonably keep up with if properly reviewed. An army of agents, definitely not. Most of us this everyday at work. Some are ok with it some are not. The way I see it, the people understand that software, somewhat similar to how most understand their cars - at a very high level -- there is wheel, steering, axles, engine, gas tank, you put petrol to run it etc etc. If it breaks down in middle of road, even with all the tools most wont likely figure out what's happening or fix the car, and eventually goto the mechanic.
croes 2mo ago
Energy consumption and CO2 emission it causes is a pretty big lose
- compiler-devel 2mo ago
  This argument, while totally valid, will never halt the build out of data centers nor hamper the development of AI.
- SXX 2mo ago
  That CO2 will be emitted either way. We can choose though what % goes to funny cat videos and porn or useful open source code.
  - croes 2mo ago
    They build new data centers -> extra CO2 They build new power plants -> extra CO2 They built non-climate neutral power plants to power the data centers -> extra CO2 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49223845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49223845 It’s not like we had some already produced spare energy lying around. Consumption went up, production went up, often it’s conventional production with CO2 There is a reason Google and MS scrapped their CO2 goals
- yellowapple 2mo ago
  Run it with a self-hosted model on a gaming PC running off a solar panel and UPS.

This is also one of things that needs to be well optimized to be any useful. Army of agents may get an implementation, but not sure it will be actually useful, and I'm also not sure if optimizing that implementation is going to be easier than more well paced use of LLM where person actually understands what code is being generated.

wrobelda 2mo ago
You seem to contradict yourself. Army of agents doesn't mean the person doing that doesn't understand the code. And optimization is required no matter whether the bulk of the code is written by hand or by the machine. LLMs definitely make things actually doable where previously they were nearly impossible.
- acedTrex 2mo ago
  > Army of agents doesn't mean the person doing that doesn't understand the code This is quite literally, objectively what it means lol. No human will ever seen it.
  - KetoManx64 2mo ago
    I'm not sure where you're getting the "objectively" from except from your self definition of what it means to let an AI agent work on a project.
    - truncate 2mo ago
      A single agent can produce enough code that even a team human can't reasonably keep up with if properly reviewed. An army of agents, definitely not. Most of us this everyday at work. Some are ok with it some are not. The way I see it, the people understand that software, somewhat similar to how most understand their cars - at a very high level -- there is wheel, steering, axles, engine, gas tank, you put petrol to run it etc etc. If it breaks down in middle of road, even with all the tools most wont likely figure out what's happening or fix the car, and eventually goto the mechanic.

croes 2mo ago

Energy consumption and CO2 emission it causes is a pretty big lose

compiler-devel 2mo ago
This argument, while totally valid, will never halt the build out of data centers nor hamper the development of AI.
SXX 2mo ago
That CO2 will be emitted either way. We can choose though what % goes to funny cat videos and porn or useful open source code.
- croes 2mo ago
  They build new data centers -> extra CO2 They build new power plants -> extra CO2 They built non-climate neutral power plants to power the data centers -> extra CO2 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49223845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49223845 It’s not like we had some already produced spare energy lying around. Consumption went up, production went up, often it’s conventional production with CO2 There is a reason Google and MS scrapped their CO2 goals
yellowapple 2mo ago
Run it with a self-hosted model on a gaming PC running off a solar panel and UPS.