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I like how the “Chinese propaganda” against datacenters was found to be mostly a collection of facts. That's not my understanding. Got any credible links that

I like how the “Chinese propaganda” against datacenters was found to be mostly a collection of facts. That's not my understanding. Got any credible links that back up this point?

analognoise 3mo ago
Sure, NPR went over this: https://www.npr.org/2026/06/10/nx-s1-5844328/us-china-data-centers-foreign-influence https://www.npr.org/2026/06/10/nx-s1-5844328/us-china-data-c... —- quote section below Linvill said he can't rule out that the Chinese are quietly paying influencers or others to oppose data centers, but he pointed out there's no need. "I think in this case, the people talking about data centers are real people with real passions and real perspectives and real opinions." In Utah, those people appear to have forced Kevin O'Leary to scale back his plans. After the president of the Utah Senate raised concerns, he agreed to shrink his data center project to a quarter of its original size. —— End NPR article quote So yeah, no need to produce Chinese anti-datacenter propaganda - people have valid reasons, and they hate it. It’s already blocking and scaling back projects.
- CamperBob2 3mo ago
  That doesn't address the question of whether the concerns are valid. They aren't. You want to save water? Protest golf courses. You want to save energy? Progress in AI is the best way to do that.
  - analognoise 3mo ago
    Oh they absolutely are valid, though! We've seen them ignore permitting for generators, use incredible amounts of water and raise all our power bills, steal books and movies for training - and for what? Subscription AI isn't going to pay for itself - it's pretty clear that they'll want a bailout in the name of "security"; which is why it's so great the Chinese are releasing models as-good-or-better for free: ironically because it drives an even bigger stake into the heart of US AI companies. The sooner these AI companies are destroyed, the better.
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I like how the “Chinese propaganda” against datacenters was found to be mostly a collection of facts. That's not my understanding. Got any credible links that back up this point?

analognoise 3mo ago

Sure, NPR went over this: https://www.npr.org/2026/06/10/nx-s1-5844328/us-china-data-centers-foreign-influence https://www.npr.org/2026/06/10/nx-s1-5844328/us-china-data-c... —- quote section below Linvill said he can't rule out that the Chinese are quietly paying influencers or others to oppose data centers, but he pointed out there's no need. "I think in this case, the people talking about data centers are real people with real passions and real perspectives and real opinions." In Utah, those people appear to have forced Kevin O'Leary to scale back his plans. After the president of the Utah Senate raised concerns, he agreed to shrink his data center project to a quarter of its original size. —— End NPR article quote So yeah, no need to produce Chinese anti-datacenter propaganda - people have valid reasons, and they hate it. It’s already blocking and scaling back projects.

CamperBob2 3mo ago
That doesn't address the question of whether the concerns are valid. They aren't. You want to save water? Protest golf courses. You want to save energy? Progress in AI is the best way to do that.
- analognoise 3mo ago
  Oh they absolutely are valid, though! We've seen them ignore permitting for generators, use incredible amounts of water and raise all our power bills, steal books and movies for training - and for what? Subscription AI isn't going to pay for itself - it's pretty clear that they'll want a bailout in the name of "security"; which is why it's so great the Chinese are releasing models as-good-or-better for free: ironically because it drives an even bigger stake into the heart of US AI companies. The sooner these AI companies are destroyed, the better.
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