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I both don't believe that the white population is being replaced, and even if it was, I don't care. I am not a racist, my family tree does not resemble a circle

I both don't believe that the white population is being replaced, and even if it was, I don't care. I am not a racist, my family tree does not resemble a circle. Issues of migration and fertility rate are related to structural incentives and constraints, level of urbanization, economic development, etc. I want my country to prosper. It won't prosper by closing itself off to migration. I hope it attracts more researches and highly educated people from around the world, especially now that the US is shunning them.

ipaddr 2mo ago
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- surgical_fire 2mo ago
  > The natives in Europe are white. You are bundling a lot of ethnicities, many of those who historically had major grievances amongst themselves, in race bullshit very specific to the US. A "white" label is very meaningless this side of the pond. I have little patience for this shit, the US truly is a sick place if your rhetoric is what it produces.
  - convolvatron 2mo ago
    one thing that largely undermines even the notion of US whiteness is that 50 years ago the definition of white was very different. Italians were swarthy and not properly white. Irish, while ostensibly white in color, were a degenerate race. Half of the 'white' people in the US are race traitors because they just don't believe in this crap in the first place, and apparently they are on the chopping block too. Arbitrary bigotry always finds a way to claim that it represents a truth.
  - ipaddr 2mo ago
    I understand white people not identifying with each other and supporting each other. Other racial groups stick together and that's why you are hearing people say wake up from across the pond. In the end what you don't value will disappear including your nation.
    - surgical_fire 2mo ago
      You literally have no idea how ethnicities in Europe operate, but still insist on extremely wrong ideas with confidence. In fact, you have no idea how ethnicities work in other countries as well. Places as old as China and India have a lot of baggage in terms of ethnicity, culture, and language within their own borders. Not to mention Africa where those borders where drawn by Europeans that had no interest in how things were actually organized, sometimes lumping together tribes that fucking hated each other for generations in the same country. I am not even bringing up religion, as it will open up another very messy can of worms. Again, you are applying the logic of US racial schism to places where it is simply non-existent, and pretending the rest of the world operate in your very local, very foreign, racist logic.
- vrganj 2mo ago
  > The natives in Europe are white. This is such a silly way to out yourself as absolutely clueless. I would invite you to go to Croatia and explain to them how they're the same ethnicity as Serbians and they even speak the same goddamn language. Please stop making grand proclamations about how our continent should act when it's obvious you don't understand even the most basic conditions.
  - surgical_fire 2mo ago
    > I would invite you to go to Croatia and explain to them how they're the same ethnicity as Serbians and they even speak the same goddamn language. Telling anyone in the balkans they are the same as their neighbors because they are white will always be a fun exercise. Except Greeks of course, who are widely recognized to be north African.
  - ipaddr 2mo ago
    If we went to Croatia and Serbia both wouldn't concern themselves white or they wouldn't consider the other as white? What would they call themselves? I think they would consider themselves white from a different nations. Many north american natives come from different tribes but they are still Indian. Same thing.
    - vrganj 2mo ago
      They'd consider themselves Croatian and Serbian. Whiteness is an American construct that is absolutely meaningless and smushes literal millenia of history into OBE category because your country's history is so short. Please refrain from spreading nonsense you clearly know nothing about.
      - ipaddr 2mo ago
        Those are not choices on a form with race. Presented with a form they would select white. Nationalism isn't race. You are losing the debate changing goalposts doesn't work.

ipaddr 2mo ago

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surgical_fire 2mo ago
> The natives in Europe are white. You are bundling a lot of ethnicities, many of those who historically had major grievances amongst themselves, in race bullshit very specific to the US. A "white" label is very meaningless this side of the pond. I have little patience for this shit, the US truly is a sick place if your rhetoric is what it produces.
- convolvatron 2mo ago
  one thing that largely undermines even the notion of US whiteness is that 50 years ago the definition of white was very different. Italians were swarthy and not properly white. Irish, while ostensibly white in color, were a degenerate race. Half of the 'white' people in the US are race traitors because they just don't believe in this crap in the first place, and apparently they are on the chopping block too. Arbitrary bigotry always finds a way to claim that it represents a truth.
- ipaddr 2mo ago
  I understand white people not identifying with each other and supporting each other. Other racial groups stick together and that's why you are hearing people say wake up from across the pond. In the end what you don't value will disappear including your nation.
  - surgical_fire 2mo ago
    You literally have no idea how ethnicities in Europe operate, but still insist on extremely wrong ideas with confidence. In fact, you have no idea how ethnicities work in other countries as well. Places as old as China and India have a lot of baggage in terms of ethnicity, culture, and language within their own borders. Not to mention Africa where those borders where drawn by Europeans that had no interest in how things were actually organized, sometimes lumping together tribes that fucking hated each other for generations in the same country. I am not even bringing up religion, as it will open up another very messy can of worms. Again, you are applying the logic of US racial schism to places where it is simply non-existent, and pretending the rest of the world operate in your very local, very foreign, racist logic.
vrganj 2mo ago
> The natives in Europe are white. This is such a silly way to out yourself as absolutely clueless. I would invite you to go to Croatia and explain to them how they're the same ethnicity as Serbians and they even speak the same goddamn language. Please stop making grand proclamations about how our continent should act when it's obvious you don't understand even the most basic conditions.
- surgical_fire 2mo ago
  > I would invite you to go to Croatia and explain to them how they're the same ethnicity as Serbians and they even speak the same goddamn language. Telling anyone in the balkans they are the same as their neighbors because they are white will always be a fun exercise. Except Greeks of course, who are widely recognized to be north African.
- ipaddr 2mo ago
  If we went to Croatia and Serbia both wouldn't concern themselves white or they wouldn't consider the other as white? What would they call themselves? I think they would consider themselves white from a different nations. Many north american natives come from different tribes but they are still Indian. Same thing.
  - vrganj 2mo ago
    They'd consider themselves Croatian and Serbian. Whiteness is an American construct that is absolutely meaningless and smushes literal millenia of history into OBE category because your country's history is so short. Please refrain from spreading nonsense you clearly know nothing about.
    - ipaddr 2mo ago
      Those are not choices on a form with race. Presented with a form they would select white. Nationalism isn't race. You are losing the debate changing goalposts doesn't work.