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I'm curious if LLMs have a role here. They're phenomenally capable at cyber stuff, and the military is without doubt taking full advantage of this. For people w

I'm curious if LLMs have a role here. They're phenomenally capable at cyber stuff, and the military is without doubt taking full advantage of this. For people who's sole identity is tied into something that LLMs become better than them at, it seems easy to imagine that zooming straight on over to existential crisis territory.

halJordan 2mo ago
Absolutely not. The problem is solely op tempo since the Iran war started. Leadership in cyber is famous for "surging" It's quite normal. But cyber specifically refuses to allow the surge to end. It becomes "the new normal." This was already straining the force before the Iran war but the civilian leadership now demand constant cyber effects and that pressure cascades down. It's hard to emphasize how effective cyber is, bc of course you want proof. But the proof is in the optempo and you can see that leadership is literally killing their Soldiers to get more and more of it.
- sigmarule 2mo ago
  Even if you are on the inside, there is absolutely no way you can say "absolutely not" with enough certainty to justify saying it in the first place.
jerrythegerbil 2mo ago
The LLMs play a part, but it’s the tempo; the pace. Fully autonomous w/LLM isn’t true. Leadership wants it true. The technological capabilities and acceptance of scapegoating a machine got rejected by society, so that leaves perfectly capable individuals as the gatekeepers of decision making, completely overloaded by the amount of information they need to deal with. If you as a human can’t keep up, but the onslaught continues, and you’ll be held responsible for the outcome regardless… yeah. People will punch their ticket out. It’s not unique to LLMs, but LLMs have certainly automated the process of reaching the worst possible conclusion. Don’t for a second try to hold the computers accountable or blame them for this outcome. This is a leadership issue and always will be. Believing otherwise is just allowing suicides to be scapegoated as a computer’s doing.
- somenameforme 2mo ago
  It doesn't matter if its fully autonomous or not. You taking something that was both esoteric and highly skilled to something that any rando with an LLM could do. And so yeah expectations for output are going to increase exponentially, but not entirely unreasonably so, all the while any appreciation or value of your own skillset is going to head right into the gutter. I don't see how you can say this is a leadership issue because the tech itself is creating a scenario that's going to leave plenty of people in crisis. The same will happen in programming. People are clinging onto the hope that it won't matter that much because 80% of a programmer's job, at a large company, doesn't involve coding anyhow, but even there the reason for the high comp is that 20%, as that's where the barrier to entry is. As that barrier falls, skill relevance plummets, and expectations rise.

halJordan 2mo ago

Absolutely not. The problem is solely op tempo since the Iran war started. Leadership in cyber is famous for "surging" It's quite normal. But cyber specifically refuses to allow the surge to end. It becomes "the new normal." This was already straining the force before the Iran war but the civilian leadership now demand constant cyber effects and that pressure cascades down. It's hard to emphasize how effective cyber is, bc of course you want proof. But the proof is in the optempo and you can see that leadership is literally killing their Soldiers to get more and more of it.

sigmarule 2mo ago
Even if you are on the inside, there is absolutely no way you can say "absolutely not" with enough certainty to justify saying it in the first place.

jerrythegerbil 2mo ago

The LLMs play a part, but it’s the tempo; the pace. Fully autonomous w/LLM isn’t true. Leadership wants it true. The technological capabilities and acceptance of scapegoating a machine got rejected by society, so that leaves perfectly capable individuals as the gatekeepers of decision making, completely overloaded by the amount of information they need to deal with. If you as a human can’t keep up, but the onslaught continues, and you’ll be held responsible for the outcome regardless… yeah. People will punch their ticket out. It’s not unique to LLMs, but LLMs have certainly automated the process of reaching the worst possible conclusion. Don’t for a second try to hold the computers accountable or blame them for this outcome. This is a leadership issue and always will be. Believing otherwise is just allowing suicides to be scapegoated as a computer’s doing.

somenameforme 2mo ago
It doesn't matter if its fully autonomous or not. You taking something that was both esoteric and highly skilled to something that any rando with an LLM could do. And so yeah expectations for output are going to increase exponentially, but not entirely unreasonably so, all the while any appreciation or value of your own skillset is going to head right into the gutter. I don't see how you can say this is a leadership issue because the tech itself is creating a scenario that's going to leave plenty of people in crisis. The same will happen in programming. People are clinging onto the hope that it won't matter that much because 80% of a programmer's job, at a large company, doesn't involve coding anyhow, but even there the reason for the high comp is that 20%, as that's where the barrier to entry is. As that barrier falls, skill relevance plummets, and expectations rise.