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One random says they are using DeepSeek and you proclaim it's all over for the top AI labs. Brilliant. First of all, no one knows the "true cost" of any of thi
by budsniffer952 2mo ago
One random says they are using DeepSeek and you proclaim it's all over for the top AI labs. Brilliant.
First of all, no one knows the "true cost" of any of this, yet, but we know it's expensive. To what extent are the Chinese labs being subsidized? Are they real businesses?
Second, the Chinese labs aren't some "super geniuses", while the American labs are full of clowns. As of today, like the past 3 years, American labs are SOTA. That might change, but let's not act like the American labs don't know what they are doing.
The idea that people are going to use cheaper models for cheaper work isn't some novel revelation, it's completely obvious. People are doing it already, eschewing Fable.
- edot 2mo agoSubsidy doesn't matter once the weights are released. You're conflating subsidized training and research with subsidized inference. DeepSeek's (allegedly government-) subsidized inference is coming to an end soon per their docs, but that's fine because the weights are open. You can run this on-prem with very modest hardware. And you can fine-tune it to your business with your data.
- budsniffer952 2mo agoThen why are the major American labs in "deep trouble"? They can also continue to be subsidized and release the weights if they want to, if that's what you think it takes for survival. Seems like a low bar. The point is it takes money to keep developing models. Everyone is playing by the same rules. At this point, the US labs are trying to build businesses. I'm not really sure what the Chinese labs goals are. But I do know they aren't doing charity work.
- irpap 2mo agoThey are in trouble because they offer something 5% better for 2000% the price.
- FpUser 2mo ago>"To what extent are the Chinese labs being subsidized? Are they real businesses?" And who gives a flying fuck. I am a "real" business and I count my money. It is not my life goal to prop some fat cats crying crocodile tears. Granted I do not use Chinese models. I use Junie straight from my JetBrain's IDEs that in turn uses Gemini Flash. Very cheap and more than enough for my use.