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Your great great grandparents didn't effectively get fined for having each child. It was quite the opposite. You make some really good points, but I feel they

by hnhg 2mo ago

Your great great grandparents didn't effectively get fined for having each child. It was quite the opposite. You make some really good points, but I feel they are a result of a greed-pilled, mean-spirited and individualistic-to-the-point-of-self-harm culture we're all sadly living under rather than the underlying cause.

dpark 2mo ago
> Your great great grandparents didn't effectively get fined for having each child. It was quite the opposite. What are you talking about?
- AngryData 2mo ago
  I would assume that they mean your great great grandparents benefited greatly by having kids because it brought in more labor while it mostly just cost food. These days there are tons of extra costs to having kids that didn't exist in the past and none of those costs are offset by their labors.
  - dpark 2mo ago
    We’re reaching further into the past than great great grandparents to get to the large families for farming but sure. Calling it a “fine” to have kids is really bizarre framing though.
    - hnhg 2mo ago
      Taking the UK as an example, legislation restricting the use of children under 14 in employment was only adopted in 1933. Previously it looked more like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_labour_in_the_British_Industrial_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_labour_in_the_British_In... The USA didn't change things up considerably until the 1930s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_labor_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_labor_in_the_United_Stat... Not soon after, obviously ww2 and then the baby boom after that. The role of children in families changed hugely in the 20th century.
      - dpark 2mo ago
        The number of children per family has been plunging since 1800. https://populationeducation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/average-number-children-per-us-family-historic-infographic.pdf https://populationeducation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/a...
        hnhg 2mo ago
        Did they have phones back then?
        dpark 2mo ago
        That’s a great question for someone else. I didn’t say anything about phones.
        hnhg 2mo ago
        I'm not arguing, there are a lot of things at play, clearly.
        olyjohn 2mo ago
        Yes in the mid to late 1800s, it was not uncommon in rural areas to have barbed wire phone networks.

by hnhg 2mo ago

dpark 2mo ago

> Your great great grandparents didn't effectively get fined for having each child. It was quite the opposite. What are you talking about?

AngryData 2mo ago
I would assume that they mean your great great grandparents benefited greatly by having kids because it brought in more labor while it mostly just cost food. These days there are tons of extra costs to having kids that didn't exist in the past and none of those costs are offset by their labors.
- dpark 2mo ago
  We’re reaching further into the past than great great grandparents to get to the large families for farming but sure. Calling it a “fine” to have kids is really bizarre framing though.
  - hnhg 2mo ago
    Taking the UK as an example, legislation restricting the use of children under 14 in employment was only adopted in 1933. Previously it looked more like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_labour_in_the_British_Industrial_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_labour_in_the_British_In... The USA didn't change things up considerably until the 1930s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_labor_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_labor_in_the_United_Stat... Not soon after, obviously ww2 and then the baby boom after that. The role of children in families changed hugely in the 20th century.
    - dpark 2mo ago
      The number of children per family has been plunging since 1800. https://populationeducation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/average-number-children-per-us-family-historic-infographic.pdf https://populationeducation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/a...
      - hnhg 2mo ago
        Did they have phones back then?
        dpark 2mo ago
        That’s a great question for someone else. I didn’t say anything about phones.
        hnhg 2mo ago
        I'm not arguing, there are a lot of things at play, clearly.
        olyjohn 2mo ago
        Yes in the mid to late 1800s, it was not uncommon in rural areas to have barbed wire phone networks.