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It's not a good method, as well as approving tens of following security popups, entering System Settings, finding some entries, allowing something that the user

It's not a good method, as well as approving tens of following security popups, entering System Settings, finding some entries, allowing something that the user doesn't even understand, entering passwords after each mouse click. MacOS experience is t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e and it's getting worse on each release. People who like macOS experience for me either suffer from Stockholm syndrome, or nostalgia about lost macOS 9 base. Or simply have no idea there's something better! macOS today is not macOS at all; it's a rebranded NeXT computer.

TylerE 2mo ago
There isn't anything better. Don't tell me desktop linux. It's not fit for purpose and doesn't run the software I need it to run. I do not want to run Linux. I, frankly, do not like what Linux evolved into. The desktop linux of 15 years ago was sort of acceptable. Modern systems infected with pulseaudio, systemd, and whatever the fuck gnome and kde have turned into are not. I'd rather run Windows, and I hate Windows.
- self_awareness 2mo ago
  Well I run Linux since 25 years, so if you're telling me that it's not "fit for purpose" then I question your ability to see purpose. Also I think you're cargo culting. You have problems with existence of systemd while praising an OS that doesn't even allow you to disable transition animation delays when changing virtual screens. It's not logical. Btw, pulseaudio is old news, now it's pipewire.
  - TylerE 2mo ago
    What part of " doesn't run the software I need it to run" are you struggling to understand?
    - self_awareness 2mo ago
      I'm not struggling because I don't really need nor want to understand that. The fact that you want to run macos-specific software doesn't affect me at all, and has nothing to do with macos being better than anything else. I'm using linux-native software all the time, that has no equivalents in other systems.
      - TylerE 2mo ago
        What an ironic username
- petepete 2mo ago
  Linux doesn't have a way, there are about 30. Ultimately though, package managers (whether it's apt, dnf, Steam, some app store, etc) are the best for most people, myself included.
anon7000 2mo ago
macOS is quirky and sometimes limited, but to be honest gets out of your way for the most part. Windows is actively hostile to me in numerous ways. Linux is incredible in its depth of customization, but still to this day needs extra tinkering in plenty of cases.
- self_awareness 2mo ago
  macOS is in the way at all times. It's not even possible to disable SIP completely. Trying to run more than 2 macOS VMs at once? Nope, security risk! Password, password, password. Please enter your password in order to be able to write your password. Thanks. Oh yeah, please enter your password to close this dialog box. And find some obscure setting somewhere in system settings, and click allow. Don't ask why, we're not in UX business apparently. And sometimes writing the password is not enough. Now write the 2FA code after writing your password! And 2FA code pops up on the same machine in a different window (although that is actually useful, although I'm sure it's an oversight of apple lawyers). And when writing the 2FA code we'll censor the digits, because apparently it's too insecure to allow anyone, including YOU, to see a one-time number that won't ever be used again. It's generally insane. They have mocked Windows in the Vista era for bringing UAC, but now they're much, much worse. Their file security API breaks auto-updates of popular applications. AV vendors have to use an API that forces to block access to new files and release it "at unspecified time in the future". Installing an average application on macOS generates so much notifications that user doesn't even see them anymore. It's like ads on a commercial TV channel, nobody wants this info, but it's being served over and over again. Developer experience is dreadful. It's "our way, or the highway". Setting up a CI worker box on macOS is something I wouldn't wish for my enemy. A good eye opening excersise of how much macOS gets in the way is to install sshfs.

TylerE 2mo ago

There isn't anything better. Don't tell me desktop linux. It's not fit for purpose and doesn't run the software I need it to run. I do not want to run Linux. I, frankly, do not like what Linux evolved into. The desktop linux of 15 years ago was sort of acceptable. Modern systems infected with pulseaudio, systemd, and whatever the fuck gnome and kde have turned into are not. I'd rather run Windows, and I hate Windows.

self_awareness 2mo ago
Well I run Linux since 25 years, so if you're telling me that it's not "fit for purpose" then I question your ability to see purpose. Also I think you're cargo culting. You have problems with existence of systemd while praising an OS that doesn't even allow you to disable transition animation delays when changing virtual screens. It's not logical. Btw, pulseaudio is old news, now it's pipewire.
- TylerE 2mo ago
  What part of " doesn't run the software I need it to run" are you struggling to understand?
  - self_awareness 2mo ago
    I'm not struggling because I don't really need nor want to understand that. The fact that you want to run macos-specific software doesn't affect me at all, and has nothing to do with macos being better than anything else. I'm using linux-native software all the time, that has no equivalents in other systems.
    - TylerE 2mo ago
      What an ironic username
petepete 2mo ago
Linux doesn't have a way, there are about 30. Ultimately though, package managers (whether it's apt, dnf, Steam, some app store, etc) are the best for most people, myself included.

anon7000 2mo ago

macOS is quirky and sometimes limited, but to be honest gets out of your way for the most part. Windows is actively hostile to me in numerous ways. Linux is incredible in its depth of customization, but still to this day needs extra tinkering in plenty of cases.

self_awareness 2mo ago
macOS is in the way at all times. It's not even possible to disable SIP completely. Trying to run more than 2 macOS VMs at once? Nope, security risk! Password, password, password. Please enter your password in order to be able to write your password. Thanks. Oh yeah, please enter your password to close this dialog box. And find some obscure setting somewhere in system settings, and click allow. Don't ask why, we're not in UX business apparently. And sometimes writing the password is not enough. Now write the 2FA code after writing your password! And 2FA code pops up on the same machine in a different window (although that is actually useful, although I'm sure it's an oversight of apple lawyers). And when writing the 2FA code we'll censor the digits, because apparently it's too insecure to allow anyone, including YOU, to see a one-time number that won't ever be used again. It's generally insane. They have mocked Windows in the Vista era for bringing UAC, but now they're much, much worse. Their file security API breaks auto-updates of popular applications. AV vendors have to use an API that forces to block access to new files and release it "at unspecified time in the future". Installing an average application on macOS generates so much notifications that user doesn't even see them anymore. It's like ads on a commercial TV channel, nobody wants this info, but it's being served over and over again. Developer experience is dreadful. It's "our way, or the highway". Setting up a CI worker box on macOS is something I wouldn't wish for my enemy. A good eye opening excersise of how much macOS gets in the way is to install sshfs.