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You grandma can keep the „restricted“ flag on then. I will be happy to disable it on my device

by dgellow 3mo ago

macintux 3mo ago
My concern has been that companies with a huge install base (hi, Meta) would take advantage of this: "in order to provide you with the best experience, you have to turn off the restricted flag to install the next release of our app". And then, billions of users cry out in pain as their private data is hoovered into the panopticon in the cloud.
- iamnothere 3mo ago
  Exactly, and it’s impossible to regulate those business practices! Don’t even try! Better to limit what people can do on their own computing devices, or better yet remove that ownership entirely.
- bigyabai 3mo ago
  > And then, billions of users cry out in pain as their private data is hoovered into the panopticon in the cloud. That's not how data collection works? It's Apple's responsibility to prevent their application runtime from exposing private data or unnecessary entitlements. Enabling sideloading does not prevent Apple from protecting user data any more than the App Store does.
- Terr_ 3mo ago
  One thing we could do is abolish the "anti-circumvention" laws, where the government goes after you with criminal penalties for "contempt of business-model" for interfering with how a company wishes it's code would run on your computer. Then it would be legal for someone to develop and give-away a patch for the Meta app...
ceejayoz 3mo ago
Grandma will also be happy to disable it when the nice man from Microsoft phone support calls in to remotely fix the viruses she has.
- grishka 3mo ago
  Then maybe everyone needs to be educated to never ever trust incoming calls from unknown numbers? Or maybe these need to be blocked at the carriers? We have all this AI crap now but for some reason we can't deploy it to detect scam calls. We instead use it to automate the work that doesn't need automation, like software engineering or copywriting or art.
  - ceejayoz 3mo ago
    The average layperson doesn't even know caller ID can be trivially spoofed. Or they accept the push notification dialog on some random site and start getting "COMPUTER HACKED, CALL MICROSOFT AT FAKE NUMBER" notifications that look like they come from the OS.
zimpenfish 3mo ago
That's great until your device is weaponised against others (see: open HTTP proxies, open DNS resolvers, open SMTP servers, several billion IoT devices, and countless other examples)
- iamnothere 3mo ago
  Exactly, which is why we shouldn’t be allowing user “software installs” on any device, not just phones. The world would be a lot better if all tech were fully locked down, “freedom” be damned.
  - bigyabai 3mo ago
    Ideally we should just let the government write the software, and they'd be able to verify that there's no dangers to grandma anywhere in the system. It would be foolproof, maybe the most trustworthy system ever conceived.
    - grishka 3mo ago
      While we're at it, let's also mandate the destruction of every general-purpose computing device incapable of secure boot or allowing it to be deactivated. And if someone dares to build a homebrew CPU out of relays, transistors, or logic ICs, they should expect the FBI to break down their door.
- kalleboo 3mo ago
  Those issues could be diminished if ISPs actually handled abuse requests and shut down people's connections until they removed their malware.
  - zimpenfish 3mo ago
    > shut down people's connections until they removed their malware. Yes, in an ideal world, that might work but most people don't actually know they have malware. That's the point of the malware! And it's not like you can say "no internet for you until you replace your TV[0]" because that's an extremely quick way to the courts and a customer reputation below the toilet. (Ignoring the "who pays for that?" question because that is a whole 'nother can of worms.) [0] https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fbi-google-disrupt-proxy-network-android-tvs-1807578 https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fbi-google-disrupt-proxy-network-a...

You grandma can keep the „restricted“ flag on then. I will be happy to disable it on my device

by dgellow 3mo ago

You grandma can keep the „restricted“ flag on then. I will be happy to disable it on my device

My concern has been that companies with a huge install base (hi, Meta) would take advantage of this: "in order to provide you with the best experience, you have to turn off the restricted flag to install the next release of our app". And then, billions of users cry out in pain as their private data is hoovered into the panopticon in the cloud.

iamnothere 3mo ago
Exactly, and it’s impossible to regulate those business practices! Don’t even try! Better to limit what people can do on their own computing devices, or better yet remove that ownership entirely.
bigyabai 3mo ago
> And then, billions of users cry out in pain as their private data is hoovered into the panopticon in the cloud. That's not how data collection works? It's Apple's responsibility to prevent their application runtime from exposing private data or unnecessary entitlements. Enabling sideloading does not prevent Apple from protecting user data any more than the App Store does.
Terr_ 3mo ago
One thing we could do is abolish the "anti-circumvention" laws, where the government goes after you with criminal penalties for "contempt of business-model" for interfering with how a company wishes it's code would run on your computer. Then it would be legal for someone to develop and give-away a patch for the Meta app...

ceejayoz 3mo ago

Grandma will also be happy to disable it when the nice man from Microsoft phone support calls in to remotely fix the viruses she has.

grishka 3mo ago
Then maybe everyone needs to be educated to never ever trust incoming calls from unknown numbers? Or maybe these need to be blocked at the carriers? We have all this AI crap now but for some reason we can't deploy it to detect scam calls. We instead use it to automate the work that doesn't need automation, like software engineering or copywriting or art.
- ceejayoz 3mo ago
  The average layperson doesn't even know caller ID can be trivially spoofed. Or they accept the push notification dialog on some random site and start getting "COMPUTER HACKED, CALL MICROSOFT AT FAKE NUMBER" notifications that look like they come from the OS.

zimpenfish 3mo ago

That's great until your device is weaponised against others (see: open HTTP proxies, open DNS resolvers, open SMTP servers, several billion IoT devices, and countless other examples)

iamnothere 3mo ago
Exactly, which is why we shouldn’t be allowing user “software installs” on any device, not just phones. The world would be a lot better if all tech were fully locked down, “freedom” be damned.
- bigyabai 3mo ago
  Ideally we should just let the government write the software, and they'd be able to verify that there's no dangers to grandma anywhere in the system. It would be foolproof, maybe the most trustworthy system ever conceived.
  - grishka 3mo ago
    While we're at it, let's also mandate the destruction of every general-purpose computing device incapable of secure boot or allowing it to be deactivated. And if someone dares to build a homebrew CPU out of relays, transistors, or logic ICs, they should expect the FBI to break down their door.
kalleboo 3mo ago
Those issues could be diminished if ISPs actually handled abuse requests and shut down people's connections until they removed their malware.
- zimpenfish 3mo ago
  > shut down people's connections until they removed their malware. Yes, in an ideal world, that might work but most people don't actually know they have malware. That's the point of the malware! And it's not like you can say "no internet for you until you replace your TV[0]" because that's an extremely quick way to the courts and a customer reputation below the toilet. (Ignoring the "who pays for that?" question because that is a whole 'nother can of worms.) [0] https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fbi-google-disrupt-proxy-network-android-tvs-1807578 https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fbi-google-disrupt-proxy-network-a...