3 ms·

Oracle Java is also basically effectively in KTLO mode. The biggest use of Java currently is Android, and Google is on a path to migrate to Fuchsia eventually.

Oracle Java is also basically effectively in KTLO mode. The biggest use of Java currently is Android, and Google is on a path to migrate to Fuchsia eventually. The second biggest use is Apache Spark/Kafka, but with LLMs now, you can pretty much re implement all of that functionality in pure C. They just want a legal angle, since this is how they make most of their money.

ternaryoperator 2mo ago
Not sure where u get your information. Oracle Java is OpenJDK with a support license from Oracle. It is widely used in enterprises, and it is updated regularly.
xxs 2mo ago
like the sibling tells, a massive amounts of the enterprice software does runs on java
vovavili 2mo ago
>The second biggest use is Apache Spark/Kafka, but with LLMs now, you can pretty much re implement all of that functionality in pure C. Spark is written in Scala, precisely because distributed systems are best modelled as a set of pure functions with minimal references to state. This is also why part of the reason why it's ascending successor, Polars Cloud, is written in a functional language, Rust, rather than C. Android development is also increasingly being monopolized by Kotlin, not Java.
- tsimionescu 2mo ago
  The post is about the OpenJDK, not Java the language per se. Which applies to Scala, Kotlin, JPython, and others.
  - vovavili 2mo ago
    This particular comment was about "Oracle Java".
adl 2mo ago
Impressive. Every word in that paragraph was wrong. well, except the last line.
- ActorNightly 2mo ago
  Its not wrong, its just that people don't see the writing on the wall. It was the same conversations about Haskell, how functional programming with no side effects was the future, e.t.c and so on. There is literally ZERO reason to use Java outside of Android these days. If you are still developing applications in Java, you are behind.
japgolly 2mo ago
KTLO = Keep The Lights On
inigyou 2mo ago
Google's been alleging to try to replace Android with Fuchsia for more than half of Android's existence. It's not happen. I remind myself that Google has almost never created a successful product.
jeroenhd 2mo ago
Java is absolutely massive for a huge variety of applications, most of them servers and daemons. The most common user-facing Java implementations are probably Android and Minecraft, but behind the scenes it powers everything from blogs to logistics to networking equipment to SIM cards. Oracle's own OpenJDK is free but they will only let consumers download Java 8 for free, that's why companies like Jetbrains ship JDKs with their products. Google is in the middle of moving ChromeOS to Android, they're not replacing Android with Fuchsia any time soon.
- ActorNightly 2mo ago
  > but behind the scenes it powers everything from blogs to logistics to networking equipment to SIM cards. All because of baked in legacy. This is going to change in the next few years. You beat Java with Python today very easily - write your application and tests in Python, have LLM transpile it to C.

ternaryoperator 2mo ago

Not sure where u get your information. Oracle Java is OpenJDK with a support license from Oracle. It is widely used in enterprises, and it is updated regularly.

xxs 2mo ago

like the sibling tells, a massive amounts of the enterprice software does runs on java

vovavili 2mo ago

>The second biggest use is Apache Spark/Kafka, but with LLMs now, you can pretty much re implement all of that functionality in pure C. Spark is written in Scala, precisely because distributed systems are best modelled as a set of pure functions with minimal references to state. This is also why part of the reason why it's ascending successor, Polars Cloud, is written in a functional language, Rust, rather than C. Android development is also increasingly being monopolized by Kotlin, not Java.

tsimionescu 2mo ago
The post is about the OpenJDK, not Java the language per se. Which applies to Scala, Kotlin, JPython, and others.
- vovavili 2mo ago
  This particular comment was about "Oracle Java".

adl 2mo ago

Impressive. Every word in that paragraph was wrong. well, except the last line.

ActorNightly 2mo ago
Its not wrong, its just that people don't see the writing on the wall. It was the same conversations about Haskell, how functional programming with no side effects was the future, e.t.c and so on. There is literally ZERO reason to use Java outside of Android these days. If you are still developing applications in Java, you are behind.

japgolly 2mo ago

KTLO = Keep The Lights On

inigyou 2mo ago

Google's been alleging to try to replace Android with Fuchsia for more than half of Android's existence. It's not happen. I remind myself that Google has almost never created a successful product.

jeroenhd 2mo ago

Java is absolutely massive for a huge variety of applications, most of them servers and daemons. The most common user-facing Java implementations are probably Android and Minecraft, but behind the scenes it powers everything from blogs to logistics to networking equipment to SIM cards. Oracle's own OpenJDK is free but they will only let consumers download Java 8 for free, that's why companies like Jetbrains ship JDKs with their products. Google is in the middle of moving ChromeOS to Android, they're not replacing Android with Fuchsia any time soon.

ActorNightly 2mo ago
> but behind the scenes it powers everything from blogs to logistics to networking equipment to SIM cards. All because of baked in legacy. This is going to change in the next few years. You beat Java with Python today very easily - write your application and tests in Python, have LLM transpile it to C.