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The AI Billboards Are Killing SF
- ak_t 2mo agoI haven't live there since 2020, but before that it was all various SaaS and data pipeline related billboards.
- clint 2mo agoI remember when I was young and every billboard in SF was some stupid web 2.0 startup, or SaaS, or Crypto Shitcoins. Now we're plagued with AI billboards and the world is ending!
- minimaxir 2mo agoThere are a lot of Monaco billboards up now which made me laugh.
- al_borland 2mo agoAt least I could usually tell what a web 2.0 company actually did. With AI nearly being a commodity at this point, AI billboards are like seeing ads for different brands of table salt.
- garethsprice 2mo agoThere were cryptic billboards in the last 2 tech booms too (dotcom, web 2.0) - the one that comes to mind is the Google ones that were a puzzle that led to a recruiting funnel (2004: https://www.npr.org/2004/09/14/3916173/google-entices-job-searchers-with-math-puzzle https://www.npr.org/2004/09/14/3916173/google-entices-job-se...)
- minimaxir 2mo agoIt's more of a tragedy of the commons. There are so many AI billboards in SF that I legitimately can't differentiate any of the AI startups anymore, and that's even if they say what their product actually is.
- Rebuff5007 2mo agoBold of you to assume they actually have products ;)
- rvz 2mo agoTry this: Do the exact opposite of what the majority of the "AI billboards" are saying. Job done.
- gsnedders 2mo agoI feel like SF has been full of frequently inscrutable billboards as long as I’ve been coming here — at least a decade. It’s maybe got slightly more extreme recently, with an even larger percentage of them being inscrutable to me as someone who both works in tech and has a decent grasp of current industry trends. I’ve never really got it — if even I don’t know what you’re advertising (or often, who is advertising!), how does this help your sales?
- yunwal 2mo agoI sort of look at it as putting a flag on the moon. Billboards are how tech companies claim ownership of SF and the tech sphere, any consumer influence is incidental.
- almost_usual 2mo agoMore ego than practical.
- vidarh 2mo agoKeep in mind that marketing is not just trying to teach you about someone you're unaware of, but is also in part about assuring you (and your boss) that you're about to make the right choice when their sales team is already talking to you, and even in part about ensuring that you (and your boss) continue to feel confident that you did make the right choice (or alternatively make you have doubts about having picked the competitor) after you made the buy. Making their sales peoples job easier, in particular, can be a lot cheaper than getting the marketing on its own to sell someone on you. They want you to go "oh, yes, FooBar Inc, I recognise that name" instead of your reaction being "who?!?". A lot of marketing without calls to action fall in the latter two categories. In that case they don't need to tell you who they are. They just need you to notice that they're there enough that they seem like a player that is a good choice. You don't even necessarily want to come across as caring too much about explaining who you are - you just want to portray the silent confidence of someone buyers should already know. (I have no idea whether the specific billboards you're talking about succeed at this)
- gsnedders 2mo ago
- cdrnsf 2mo agoI saw the band Chat Pile a while back in Los Angeles. They played the previous night in San Francisco — their singer mentioned the billboards and led the crowd in an ethusiastic chant of "F*k AI!".
- compiler-guy 2mo agoIf you drive through Las Vegas, all the billboards are about casinos. If you drive through farm country, all the billboards are about the local cash crop. Advertisers target the people likely to see the ad and spend money on the topic. Billboards are extremely geographically restricted, so local interest dominates. This isn't really news. And yes, they are annoying.
- easton 2mo agoThe most fun one is the Metro stations near the Pentagon, where often the ads will be for fighter jet engine upgrades. They must work, because they're buying the ad space for about three relevant people.
- asdfman123 2mo agoThe issue is that in most cities, most people are involved in the major industry or know people who are. Casino dealers, farm workers, etc. But there aren't very many blue collar tech jobs beyond security and the cafeterias. It undoubtedly feels like an invasive species for much of the lower middle class, who's been here longer than the tech workers.
- palmotea 2mo ago> If you drive through farm country, all the billboards are about the local cash crop. Have you ever driven through farm country? I do fairly regularly (on an interstate). There's like one billboard for a (cattle) vet on my route. Most ads are for restaurants, healthcare, and the regular stuff.
- compiler-guy 2mo agoAll the time. The billboards are very often about fertilizer, tractors, and shipping. And if that is the argument, there are plenty of local business billboards in the Bay Area as well.
- palmotea 2mo ago> And if that is the argument, there are plenty of local business billboards in the Bay Area as well. I don't have an argument, it's just what you describe doesn't match my experience.
- superloika 2mo agoAdvertising should be banned. It's an attack on the mind.
- DannyBee 2mo agoYou can't in california, actually. While you can generally restrict new ones, you can't eliminate existing ones without basically paying out the lost revenue+etc to whoever is running it.
- dgellow 2mo agoBan new ones and that will naturally go extinct
- varenc 2mo agoThere's been a moratorium on new billboards in SF for a long time already. No new ones are getting built. Given the reliable revenue they provide, will be a long time before they naturally go extinct.
- DannyBee 2mo agoIn a lot of places, they have been banned since 1978. They have not gone extinct.
- tayo42 2mo agoWhat if we got a proposition that said we have to take them all down and not pay for lost revenue?
- likpok 2mo agoIt would still get tied up in litigation. The “takings” doctrine that requires compensation is based on the fifth amendment: “ nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." I believe regulatory changes similar to what you propose have been ruled takings in the past. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the state would lose, but this supreme court doesn’t seem particularly amenable.
- lkbm 2mo agoAds are influencing us to buy things we don't need! This is terrible! [Billboards stop targeting you at all.] Ads no longer influence us to buy things we don't need! This is terrible! Just take the win.
- masfuerte 2mo agoYes. Billboards that condition you to stop looking at them sound awesome.
- SkiFreeWin3 2mo agoThey’re tacky, but I appreciate how clearly it homogenizes what is being pitched globally as some unique thing that only a few big companies do, or that it’s magic. Like the other thread on Vegas casino adverts… It’s big, it’s annoying, and if they’re going to survive (casinos get demolished/sold/bankrupted), lasting differentiation requires more than just sparkly lights, an AI feature, and a VC-subsidized advertising budget.
- Brendinooo 2mo ago"Killing SF" is overly dramatic, and others have noted that the phenomenon observed here is not unique to AI, or SF. But there is something a little...alienating about advertising that's not meant for you. It's a dumb example, but in Pittsburgh the football stadium was renamed from Heinz Field to Acrisure Stadium. Of course, "Three Rivers Stadium", the name of the previous building, was best. It's not a name that tries to sell you something. But if you must sell something, "Heinz" is extremely good: it sells products for everyone, and it has historical roots in the area. Of the people, for the people. But Acrisure? I've looked it up a few times and I still can't remember exactly what it is. Business services or insurance or something like that. And I'm sure that both Acrisure and the Steelers don't really care that I don't know what it is, because it's not really for the vast majority of the 65,000 people who show up on a Sunday to cheer for the team. That's...weird.
- zem 2mo agofor me it's the opposite of alienating - it's like the ads have been banished to some niche sphere and I can live my regular life in the city unbothered by advertising.
- soperj 2mo agoHeinz just sells diabetes & fatty liver disease and packages it as a staple of american cuisine.
- asdfman123 2mo agoI think it's related to the K shaped economy. The country is no longer being built for the middle class, which is concerning.
- xnx 2mo agoHard for me to get too upset about billboards in an urban environment, let alone if they're promoting sugar water or some dumb AI service. Let them waste their money.
- VyseofArcadia 2mo agoI think we should ban all billboards. We deserve as a species to have spaces where we are not being advertised to.
- jckahn 2mo agoMuir Woods is right there.
- asdfman123 2mo agoRight, we could put ads there too. Who's working on this?
- 1auralynn 2mo agoHard agree. Once you drive on a highway with no billboards (e.g. outside Seattle on I-5) you realize how much mental space they take up when you go back.
- duderific 2mo agoThe 280 freeway on the Peninsula in the Bay Area has banned billboards, and it is quite a pleasant drive.
- livinglist 2mo agoI absolutely love tech related billboards in SF Bay Area, nothing screams Silicon Valley more than those.
- arjie 2mo agoSF is always on the brink of death from one thing or another. Has to be the most melodramatic populace in America. I’ve lived here for 13 years, my wife for 20. It’s the same as always. We saw a Sees Candies : No AI needed billboard yesterday. Thought that was funny.
- Barbing 2mo agoYou might like this prank billboard that’s up: https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/prank-san-francisco-billboard-22373923.php https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/prank-san-francisc...
- arjie 2mo agoHaha. That’s funny. I tell my friends that perhaps instead of ruining my daughter’s name (Astra) as a GPT model name they could have picked ChatJupiter since it sounds like GPT. No one has laughed yet but maybe if I keep trying they will. There’s another one out there that goes AI Dread? Call 1-800-HELP-MEE or something like that. Pity I was driving. Would have liked to have seen what that was.
- FLeXMurphy 2mo ago> That average individual is Tucker James Bryant, a San Francisco conceptual artist who used to work as a marketing manager at Google and now works as keynote speaker. This is some low quality bait.
- viccis 2mo agoOh it's the AI billboards, and not the crowds of like 20 people shooting up at 7am as I'm walking from my hotel to Moscone for my work conference? I guess the AI billboards do create a bitterly ironic feeling in that context, but my overall impression of SF is that it's the lowest trust society I've ever been to, in or out of this country. Basic lawlessness is so common that even things like my hotel's elevator inspection was 3 years out of date when I last visited. Part of that is that I end up having to walk around the Tenderloin/SoMA/Union Square parts of town if I'm there for something at Moscone, but honestly that's on SF. Keep the downtown part of your city that people visit clean enough that my clothes don't reek at the end of the day just from the smell of the city. I honestly never have this issue in NYC.
- fmajid 2mo agoIn the 90s I remember billboards on US-101 for VHDL something or the other. At least people have heard of AI. But yes, these low-effort and occasionally creepy billboards are nowhere near as entertaining as the old Lombardi Sports ads ("The Great Outdoors. Connecting us to our heritage. Like the Donner Party").
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- brycewray 2mo agoOff-topic, but am curious about why this page doesn't allow scrolling using either a mouse or touchpad unless you're "grabbing" the scrollbar. (At least you can page up and page down with keys, I should add.) Am using a Blink-based browser on macOS, if that matters.
- gumby 2mo agoYawn. I was just in Tampa where I saw several billboards for “permanent male enhancement”.*. I don’t drink or smoke, so liquor ane cigarette ads just slide into my blind spot (a neural network ad blocker). My favorite billboard was in Silicon Valley, not SF, back in the early 90s when people around here still cared about technology: “high speed analog simulation.” If you needed that, the billboard was for you! Nobody complained. The same year I decided my company would show job ads before the movies at century 16 (next to where Google now is). The lady who took the ss ws dubious, but our first (“can you program in C++? Looking for a job? Write to jobs@cygnus.com). It made the NYT, but then became commonplace and now nobody looks for jobs that way. Sic transit gloria mundi * I assume this is a service that teaches them empathy and how to listen.