Well, I think you've proven my point... > because socialism has never required COMPLETE ownership by the state Sure, it's only complete ownership by the worke

Well, I think you've proven my point... > because socialism has never required COMPLETE ownership by the state Sure, it's only complete ownership by the workers. > What makes it socialism is government ownership of the means of production, with redistribution to the general populace. Well, then China is not socialist. QED. (and again, owenership by the workers, not necessarily thet state) I would advise you, in good faith and friendship, to visit China one day. It's a free market capitalist dream in day to day life.