I haven't seen any whining in the thread, though maybe you're referring to me since I started the thread here? I didn't say people need to stop using AC, I don

I haven't seen any whining in the thread, though maybe you're referring to me since I started the thread here? I didn't say people need to stop using AC, I don't even agree that eating less meat would help, and my only mention of TV above was in reference to people deciding to turn it off when they leave the house, not to watch less of it. My main point, though, was that moving around how we use energy, and of what type, will do a lot less good than finding ways to use less.