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A couple generations plus a flattening of most major cities, and the deaths/imprisonment of the leadership responsible.

by ceejayoz 2mo ago

john_strinlai 2mo ago
punishment of those responsible, sure. i dont think flattening of most major cities is a requirement...
- ceejayoz 2mo ago
  > i dont think flattening of most major cities is a requirement... Both of your chosen examples went through exactly that as part of their reputational change.
  - john_strinlai 2mo ago
    i can go dig up other examples of countries that did bad things which are forgiven now, if you'd like.
    - ceejayoz 2mo ago
      Like the Confederacy? Wait, bad example.
      - john_strinlai 2mo ago
        just wondering, do you want the US to be hated "forever"? or what is it that you are arguing for? i thought it was a fairly obvious statement that over the thousands of years of history, many bad things have been done, but after several generations, we are able to heal. if you think that in the year 2200, the world will still hate the US because of today, i disagree. the year 2500? i doubt the people of that time, excepting a few ancient historians, will even know it happened. "forever" is a long time.
        ceejayoz 2mo ago
        > do you want the US to be hated "forever"? No. What I want and what I get don't always match up. The US will suffer from this era on the international stage for generations, in a completely self-inflicted blow. Its continued existence as the present-day USA is by no means guaranteed, either. Present-day Germany isn't Nazi Germany; I certainly hope people will hate Nazi Germany forever.
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        john_strinlai 2mo ago
        >The US will suffer from this era on the international stage for generations, this is what i said earlier... generations? sure. forever? no. so i guess we agree.
        yifanl 2mo ago
        You don't get to decide how you're hated is the point.
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bcrosby95 2mo ago
The second half never happened to Japans leaders despite being responsible for many atrocities in the region at the time.
- ceejayoz 2mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideki_Tojo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideki_Tojo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Military_Tribunal_for_the_Far_East https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Military_Tribuna...

A couple generations plus a flattening of most major cities, and the deaths/imprisonment of the leadership responsible.

john_strinlai 2mo ago

punishment of those responsible, sure. i dont think flattening of most major cities is a requirement...

ceejayoz 2mo ago
> i dont think flattening of most major cities is a requirement... Both of your chosen examples went through exactly that as part of their reputational change.
- john_strinlai 2mo ago
  i can go dig up other examples of countries that did bad things which are forgiven now, if you'd like.
  - ceejayoz 2mo ago
    Like the Confederacy? Wait, bad example.
    - john_strinlai 2mo ago
      just wondering, do you want the US to be hated "forever"? or what is it that you are arguing for? i thought it was a fairly obvious statement that over the thousands of years of history, many bad things have been done, but after several generations, we are able to heal. if you think that in the year 2200, the world will still hate the US because of today, i disagree. the year 2500? i doubt the people of that time, excepting a few ancient historians, will even know it happened. "forever" is a long time.
      - ceejayoz 2mo ago
        > do you want the US to be hated "forever"? No. What I want and what I get don't always match up. The US will suffer from this era on the international stage for generations, in a completely self-inflicted blow. Its continued existence as the present-day USA is by no means guaranteed, either. Present-day Germany isn't Nazi Germany; I certainly hope people will hate Nazi Germany forever.
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        john_strinlai 2mo ago
        >The US will suffer from this era on the international stage for generations, this is what i said earlier... generations? sure. forever? no. so i guess we agree.
      - yifanl 2mo ago
        You don't get to decide how you're hated is the point.
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bcrosby95 2mo ago

The second half never happened to Japans leaders despite being responsible for many atrocities in the region at the time.

ceejayoz 2mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideki_Tojo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideki_Tojo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Military_Tribunal_for_the_Far_East https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Military_Tribuna...