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Unfortunately Americans remain too comfortable to bother with any serious push back. The destruction of democratic traditions in America will continue and the p

by e2le 2mo ago

Unfortunately Americans remain too comfortable to bother with any serious push back. The destruction of democratic traditions in America will continue and the president will keep using the office to legitimise his scams.

dgellow 2mo ago
Even worse, way too many people are still actively supporting this. That can even been seen in the HN commenting crowd
- classified 2mo ago
  > the HN commenting crowd That set also contains elements who will swear that LLMs are conscious, so it does not mean as much as we might want it to.
  - dgellow 2mo ago
    Fair. Though that’s likely a reflection of the general population
    - jfengel 2mo ago
      Or at least, the tech-bro subset of the general population. It's possible that they're disproportionately vocal on HN, but I think overall it's a reasonably accurate presentation of that (narrow but powerful) demographic.
  - Mielin 2mo ago
    I dont support Trump, but the conscious part is closer to me. Why would you think LLMs are not conscious? Maybe a link to an article that is aligned with your views? That would help me understand your viewpoint. Are dogs conscious? Maybe not, or a bit so. LLMs are more conscious than dogs. LLM are deficient in certain memory aspect - particularly a gap between the generation cycle and the context window. So they seem forgetful. But people with memory loss or damaged hypocampus are still conscious. LLMs are dumb in certain aspects, do weird errors, but we still agree that dumb people with weird errors are conscious. Theory wise thinking is likely substrate independent. Unless you think that biological tissue holds some life force that allows to transend comoutation limitations somehow. Thats probably not what you wanted to read, Im aorry. Just really curious in how do you reconcile all of this.
    - cheikhcheikh 2mo ago
      Do you think diffusion models or models that generate video and image are conscious? I'd say most people who think LLMs are conscious don't think the same way about non-chattng models ( unless you ask them then they might say "sure" in an attempt to remain consistent). My point is it's the interaction medium that's causing the confusion and causinf this psychosis that's tricking people into feeling like they're talking to someone. LLMs are not conscious, sams as google chrome, same as GTA 5, same as your latest python script.
JKCalhoun 2mo ago
"Unfortunately Americans remain too comfortable…" I suspect this too will change. We may get to a point where we'll refer to the Great Depression as Great Depression I. We'll see change then. It happened last time.

by e2le 2mo ago

dgellow 2mo ago

Even worse, way too many people are still actively supporting this. That can even been seen in the HN commenting crowd

classified 2mo ago
> the HN commenting crowd That set also contains elements who will swear that LLMs are conscious, so it does not mean as much as we might want it to.
- dgellow 2mo ago
  Fair. Though that’s likely a reflection of the general population
  - jfengel 2mo ago
    Or at least, the tech-bro subset of the general population. It's possible that they're disproportionately vocal on HN, but I think overall it's a reasonably accurate presentation of that (narrow but powerful) demographic.
- Mielin 2mo ago
  I dont support Trump, but the conscious part is closer to me. Why would you think LLMs are not conscious? Maybe a link to an article that is aligned with your views? That would help me understand your viewpoint. Are dogs conscious? Maybe not, or a bit so. LLMs are more conscious than dogs. LLM are deficient in certain memory aspect - particularly a gap between the generation cycle and the context window. So they seem forgetful. But people with memory loss or damaged hypocampus are still conscious. LLMs are dumb in certain aspects, do weird errors, but we still agree that dumb people with weird errors are conscious. Theory wise thinking is likely substrate independent. Unless you think that biological tissue holds some life force that allows to transend comoutation limitations somehow. Thats probably not what you wanted to read, Im aorry. Just really curious in how do you reconcile all of this.
  - cheikhcheikh 2mo ago
    Do you think diffusion models or models that generate video and image are conscious? I'd say most people who think LLMs are conscious don't think the same way about non-chattng models ( unless you ask them then they might say "sure" in an attempt to remain consistent). My point is it's the interaction medium that's causing the confusion and causinf this psychosis that's tricking people into feeling like they're talking to someone. LLMs are not conscious, sams as google chrome, same as GTA 5, same as your latest python script.

JKCalhoun 2mo ago

"Unfortunately Americans remain too comfortable…" I suspect this too will change. We may get to a point where we'll refer to the Great Depression as Great Depression I. We'll see change then. It happened last time.