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> not one dependent on "costly subsidies". While paying out 1.2 billion dollars.

by Kim_Bruning 2mo ago

timacles 2mo ago
Out country is ran by bunch of Lionel Hutz clones
- gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
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  - josh_p 2mo ago
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    - gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
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      - jermaustin1 2mo ago
        My guy, your account is nearly 10 years old, but your karma is only 36, and you are active on here... there is a reason. You are derisive, and abrasive, and your comments (specifically the ones that get downvoted to hell) are low-effort, and "troll-y". You seem like you've been successful in life, you didn't get that way being low-effort, so let's apply that level of effort toward this community that has brought so many people together for their love of technology.
        gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
        you make some fair points .. and I respect you for making them openly (and taking the time to do so!) .. also that ur a real person standing behind your words .. and that carries more weight with me than karma ever will :) I can be abrasive .. but Id rather own my words including the unpopular ones .. than hide behind a pseudonym or tailor them for approval .. either way .. you seem like a good human. respect!
  - esskay 2mo ago
    What "world order" is this? One where cheap energy generation is seen as a good thing? Bizarre that anyone would be against a private company building solar or wind farms in this day and age. For a guy in the ai and cybersecurity industry you seem to have incredibly poor judgement Gyan.
    - perpetuallunch 2mo ago
      Provide one example where solar and / or wind generation have penetrated a market to a level worth mentioning and electricity prices have come down or remained stable adjusted for inflation.
      - esskay 2mo ago
        South Australia is a good example. In 2023–24, wind supplied 45.2% of South Australia’s electricity generation, rooftop solar supplied 18.3%, and large-scale solar another 10.7%. In other words, roughly 74% of the state’s electricity generation came from wind and solar. [1] And this isn’t a comparison that ignores inflation. AEMO publishes its historical wholesale electricity prices in real June 2024 dollars. South Australia’s average wholesale price in 2023–24 was A$79.53/MWh, compared with roughly A$95/MWh in 2012–13. It was also 40% lower than the previous year’s A$131.90/MWh. [1] AEMO also specifically identifies increased rooftop and grid-scale solar output as one of the factors contributing to lower wholesale prices. [1] So there’s a fairly straightforward example: South Australia reached roughly 74% wind and solar generation while its inflation-adjusted wholesale electricity price was lower than it had been around a decade earlier. That obviously doesn’t mean renewables were the only factor affecting prices - electricity markets are influenced by fuel prices, interconnectors, demand, storage and plenty of other things. But it does disprove the claim that high penetration of wind and solar necessarily results in higher inflation-adjusted electricity prices. [1] https://www.aemo.com.au/-/media/files/electricity/nem/planning_and_forecasting/sa_advisory/2024/2024-south-australian-electricity-report---combined.pdf?rev=91986a26bc0744fa9e2da247a551d641 https://www.aemo.com.au/-/media/files/electricity/nem/planni... I'm sure this wont be enough or acceptable though will it. It never is.
      - usefulcat 2mo ago
  - camillomiller 2mo ago
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  - quickthrowman 2mo ago
    This specific policy is because one thin-skinned narcissist lost a legal case in Scotland over wind turbine aesthetics. His personality disorder makes him hold grudges forever and lash out and punish unrelated parties. I bet the two of you would get along well! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Golf_Club_Scotland_Ltd_v_The_Scottish_Ministers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Golf_Club_...
    - xp84 2mo ago
      This is exactly correct ^ and I’m not even aligned with Democrats. There’s no end to the ego and butt-hurt of that man, and conversely, he’s the easiest to exploit via flattery of anyone I’ve ever heard of.
  - draygonia 2mo ago
    World order? I don't think a shift from being dependent on a resource that's not unlimited isn't unreasonable and may even be proactive.
- ocodo 2mo ago
  Lionel would be spinning in his grave, he at least appeared to feel guilt.
- gdilla 2mo ago
  America voted for this.
  - mdp2021 2mo ago
    What would you have tried to mean? "The system in place allowed what happened to happen"? What you wrote can mean everything and nothing.
imglorp 2mo ago
Oh that's not nearly the amount of fossil subsidies. Some say it's $31b/yr direct. If you factor in indirect costs like climate damage, health expenses, oil wars, etc, it's much higher. Renewables are much, much cheaper regardless of a little incentive, if there are any left. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/sep/09/fossil-fuels-subisidies-study https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/sep/09/fossil-f...
- TheOtherHobbes 2mo ago
  Globally, fossil tax breaks and implicit subsidies are at least $6tn. The entire sector is a catastrophic, institutionally corrupt scam. https://www.imf.org/en/topics/climate-change/energy-subsidies https://www.imf.org/en/topics/climate-change/energy-subsidie...
- winter_blue 2mo ago
  It’s kind of amazing and horrifying at the same time that a democratic country like the U.S. is doing all these shenanigans like blocking clean zero carbon energy, while a communist authoritarian country is massively moving towards clean energy. Based on what our media and our education system teaches us, one would have assumed that common sense and sound logic would prevail in a democracy, but rather what we see is insane nonsense, paranoia, and misinformation (including about vaccines) prevail in the U.S., to the point of burning piles of money (including the 1.2B in this case) just to satisfy a childish and bully like need to spite and trigger the progressive side (like talking about causing more pollution with the goal of “owning the libs” or triggering “delicious liberal tears”). And we’re talking about massive negative externalities with increased pollution. This kind of childish bully behavior is as though you had a neighbor who cared about not littering in public and the streets being clean, and you just threw garbage on the streets to upset her. A ridiculous level of immaturity, truly. Meanwhile, we have totalitarian dictatorships (like the Emirates which has heavily moved toward zero carbon electricity sources like solar and nuclear) behaving far more logically, rationally, and soundly with a view towards the long-term rather than the short-term.
  - basilgohar 2mo ago
fatnoah 2mo ago
Art of the deal: Pay $1.2B in exchange for a $900M investment elsewhere.
est31 2mo ago
Mostly this is just about giving back the money RWE paid for the leases from the US government to build those turbines. Plus various fees. They could have went for suing for total profits too. > RWE U.S. Offshore secured these leases from the U.S. government with a long-term commitment to develop offshore wind capacity in American waters and invested more than $1 billion toward the leases and the development of these projects. These leases provided legal rights to develop offshore projects and represented years of planning, investment, and partnership with federal agencies. > After careful consideration, it was determined there is no path forward to permit these projects in the U.S. for the foreseeable future. The settlement resolves RWE U.S. Offshore’s legal claims and provides $1.22 billion in settlement funds. https://www.rwe.com/en/investor-relations/financial-calendar-and-publications/news-and-ad-hoc-announcements/news/news-2026-08-06/ https://www.rwe.com/en/investor-relations/financial-calendar...
ratelimitsteve 2mo ago
> > not one dependent on "costly subsidies". > While paying out 1.2 billion dollars. for nothing. to literally replace some energy with no energy.
andrei_says_ 2mo ago
Narrative is defined by ideology and the media machinery able to sustain it. Facts are woven in only when serving the desired reality. If you and I listened to the propaganda on the regular basis, our intuitive knowledge would associate clean energy with isolated from reality snowflake liberals, hippies, abortion, subsidies, as opposed to fossil fuel energy associated with manliness, strength, common sense, “good old values”, military strength, and freedom. Just like beef (“it’s what’s for dinner”) and a delicious juicy rare steak. See? I recommend checking out George Lakoff’s work on the power of identity and metaphors. Look up his “moral politics” lecture on YouTube.

> not one dependent on "costly subsidies". While paying out 1.2 billion dollars.

timacles 2mo ago

Out country is ran by bunch of Lionel Hutz clones

gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
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- josh_p 2mo ago
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  - gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
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    - jermaustin1 2mo ago
      My guy, your account is nearly 10 years old, but your karma is only 36, and you are active on here... there is a reason. You are derisive, and abrasive, and your comments (specifically the ones that get downvoted to hell) are low-effort, and "troll-y". You seem like you've been successful in life, you didn't get that way being low-effort, so let's apply that level of effort toward this community that has brought so many people together for their love of technology.
      - gyanchawdhary 2mo ago
        you make some fair points .. and I respect you for making them openly (and taking the time to do so!) .. also that ur a real person standing behind your words .. and that carries more weight with me than karma ever will :) I can be abrasive .. but Id rather own my words including the unpopular ones .. than hide behind a pseudonym or tailor them for approval .. either way .. you seem like a good human. respect!
- esskay 2mo ago
  What "world order" is this? One where cheap energy generation is seen as a good thing? Bizarre that anyone would be against a private company building solar or wind farms in this day and age. For a guy in the ai and cybersecurity industry you seem to have incredibly poor judgement Gyan.
  - perpetuallunch 2mo ago
    Provide one example where solar and / or wind generation have penetrated a market to a level worth mentioning and electricity prices have come down or remained stable adjusted for inflation.
    - esskay 2mo ago
      South Australia is a good example. In 2023–24, wind supplied 45.2% of South Australia’s electricity generation, rooftop solar supplied 18.3%, and large-scale solar another 10.7%. In other words, roughly 74% of the state’s electricity generation came from wind and solar. [1] And this isn’t a comparison that ignores inflation. AEMO publishes its historical wholesale electricity prices in real June 2024 dollars. South Australia’s average wholesale price in 2023–24 was A$79.53/MWh, compared with roughly A$95/MWh in 2012–13. It was also 40% lower than the previous year’s A$131.90/MWh. [1] AEMO also specifically identifies increased rooftop and grid-scale solar output as one of the factors contributing to lower wholesale prices. [1] So there’s a fairly straightforward example: South Australia reached roughly 74% wind and solar generation while its inflation-adjusted wholesale electricity price was lower than it had been around a decade earlier. That obviously doesn’t mean renewables were the only factor affecting prices - electricity markets are influenced by fuel prices, interconnectors, demand, storage and plenty of other things. But it does disprove the claim that high penetration of wind and solar necessarily results in higher inflation-adjusted electricity prices. [1] https://www.aemo.com.au/-/media/files/electricity/nem/planning_and_forecasting/sa_advisory/2024/2024-south-australian-electricity-report---combined.pdf?rev=91986a26bc0744fa9e2da247a551d641 https://www.aemo.com.au/-/media/files/electricity/nem/planni... I'm sure this wont be enough or acceptable though will it. It never is.
    - usefulcat 2mo ago
- camillomiller 2mo ago
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- quickthrowman 2mo ago
  This specific policy is because one thin-skinned narcissist lost a legal case in Scotland over wind turbine aesthetics. His personality disorder makes him hold grudges forever and lash out and punish unrelated parties. I bet the two of you would get along well! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Golf_Club_Scotland_Ltd_v_The_Scottish_Ministers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Golf_Club_...
  - xp84 2mo ago
    This is exactly correct ^ and I’m not even aligned with Democrats. There’s no end to the ego and butt-hurt of that man, and conversely, he’s the easiest to exploit via flattery of anyone I’ve ever heard of.
- draygonia 2mo ago
  World order? I don't think a shift from being dependent on a resource that's not unlimited isn't unreasonable and may even be proactive.
ocodo 2mo ago
Lionel would be spinning in his grave, he at least appeared to feel guilt.
gdilla 2mo ago
America voted for this.
- mdp2021 2mo ago
  What would you have tried to mean? "The system in place allowed what happened to happen"? What you wrote can mean everything and nothing.

imglorp 2mo ago

Oh that's not nearly the amount of fossil subsidies. Some say it's $31b/yr direct. If you factor in indirect costs like climate damage, health expenses, oil wars, etc, it's much higher. Renewables are much, much cheaper regardless of a little incentive, if there are any left. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/sep/09/fossil-fuels-subisidies-study https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/sep/09/fossil-f...

TheOtherHobbes 2mo ago
Globally, fossil tax breaks and implicit subsidies are at least $6tn. The entire sector is a catastrophic, institutionally corrupt scam. https://www.imf.org/en/topics/climate-change/energy-subsidies https://www.imf.org/en/topics/climate-change/energy-subsidie...
winter_blue 2mo ago
It’s kind of amazing and horrifying at the same time that a democratic country like the U.S. is doing all these shenanigans like blocking clean zero carbon energy, while a communist authoritarian country is massively moving towards clean energy. Based on what our media and our education system teaches us, one would have assumed that common sense and sound logic would prevail in a democracy, but rather what we see is insane nonsense, paranoia, and misinformation (including about vaccines) prevail in the U.S., to the point of burning piles of money (including the 1.2B in this case) just to satisfy a childish and bully like need to spite and trigger the progressive side (like talking about causing more pollution with the goal of “owning the libs” or triggering “delicious liberal tears”). And we’re talking about massive negative externalities with increased pollution. This kind of childish bully behavior is as though you had a neighbor who cared about not littering in public and the streets being clean, and you just threw garbage on the streets to upset her. A ridiculous level of immaturity, truly. Meanwhile, we have totalitarian dictatorships (like the Emirates which has heavily moved toward zero carbon electricity sources like solar and nuclear) behaving far more logically, rationally, and soundly with a view towards the long-term rather than the short-term.
- basilgohar 2mo ago

fatnoah 2mo ago

Art of the deal: Pay $1.2B in exchange for a $900M investment elsewhere.

est31 2mo ago

Mostly this is just about giving back the money RWE paid for the leases from the US government to build those turbines. Plus various fees. They could have went for suing for total profits too. > RWE U.S. Offshore secured these leases from the U.S. government with a long-term commitment to develop offshore wind capacity in American waters and invested more than $1 billion toward the leases and the development of these projects. These leases provided legal rights to develop offshore projects and represented years of planning, investment, and partnership with federal agencies. > After careful consideration, it was determined there is no path forward to permit these projects in the U.S. for the foreseeable future. The settlement resolves RWE U.S. Offshore’s legal claims and provides $1.22 billion in settlement funds. https://www.rwe.com/en/investor-relations/financial-calendar-and-publications/news-and-ad-hoc-announcements/news/news-2026-08-06/ https://www.rwe.com/en/investor-relations/financial-calendar...

ratelimitsteve 2mo ago

> > not one dependent on "costly subsidies". > While paying out 1.2 billion dollars. for nothing. to literally replace some energy with no energy.

andrei_says_ 2mo ago

Narrative is defined by ideology and the media machinery able to sustain it. Facts are woven in only when serving the desired reality. If you and I listened to the propaganda on the regular basis, our intuitive knowledge would associate clean energy with isolated from reality snowflake liberals, hippies, abortion, subsidies, as opposed to fossil fuel energy associated with manliness, strength, common sense, “good old values”, military strength, and freedom. Just like beef (“it’s what’s for dinner”) and a delicious juicy rare steak. See? I recommend checking out George Lakoff’s work on the power of identity and metaphors. Look up his “moral politics” lecture on YouTube.