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Don't have a pet cat or dog. Owning an unnecessary carnivorous animal is rather bad news from a CO2 perspective. A dog can be responsible for higher CO2 emissi

by GJim 2mo ago

Don't have a pet cat or dog. Owning an unnecessary carnivorous animal is rather bad news from a CO2 perspective. A dog can be responsible for higher CO2 emissions than a car. https://impact.ed.ac.uk/research/climate-environmental-crisis/truth-about-cats-and-dogs-and-climate/ https://impact.ed.ac.uk/research/climate-environmental-crisi... https://www.zerosmart.co.uk/post/the-average-carbon-footprint-of-a-pet https://www.zerosmart.co.uk/post/the-average-carbon-footprin... (Que outrage from pet owners and people suggesting I'm a crazy vegan.... I'm most certainly not vegan or veggie!)

_luci_ 2mo ago
So we should not own pets, because the real polluters (companies) are lobbying to keep polluting? What bothers me so much about this idea of individual responsibility is that we get blamed for a choice we couldn't possibly make. It is up to the people in power to start making change, and it is important that people vote and educate themselves, but IMO this idea of individual responsibility for societal problems like climate change is ridiculous and only leads to inaction! We need to hold companies accountable, and we need to hold governments accountable. Own a dog, enjoy your life!
- aziaziazi 2mo ago
  There's multiple vegan brands for dogs and cats feed. If it looks "unnatural" I suggest some reflexions: - Most kibble's ingredients are not naturals - Most of the kibble's flesh comes from a non-natural production - Your pet health (and your own health) require some "nutrients" instead of "food types" Agree 100% societal decisions are more important than individual ones. However the choice in question could be made as it's not doing (pet ownership). Don't take it personal, OP is not telling you what to do or blaming anyone but instead share some data. As you said: enjoy your life :) PS: price-wise they tends to be in the premium range. If your cat already has allergies and special kibbles for that, vegan kibbles are in the same price range and are particularly good for that condition.
  - breezybottom 2mo ago
    You should never restrict a cat to a vegan diet. That is very unhealthy for them.
    - aziaziazi 2mo ago
      Let me cite yourself: > If you have data that supports this assertion, show it. Aside personal anecdotic evidences of cats thriving after +10 years of vegetal feed, here's some: > Considering these results overall, cats fed vegan diets tended to be healthier than cats fed meat-based diets. This trend was clear and consistent. These results largely concur with previous, similar studies > In most cases differences between dietary groups were not statistically significant [2023, 127 cats in the vegetal group] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0284132 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjourn... I admit that's not much, but If you think about it there's no reason a carnivore may not live healthy if provided the right nutrients, whatever the sources. Those nutrients are already well studied -especially for one of the two most common pet- and generously added in kibble because the base is often poorly balanced.
      - breezybottom 2mo ago
        That's observational, self-reported data. In other words, completely worthless.
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potsandpans 2mo ago
Ah, uk research institutions. The paragon of austerity for the common man. How are we going to fix the climate crises? Not a sensible carbon policy and mandates on international corporations and nation states[1][2][3][4]. No, just stop having pets. I don't think you're a crazy vegan, and I'm not outraged. But your proposal is ridicules. 1 - https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10... 2 - https://influencemap.org/briefing/Carbon-Majors-2024-Data- https://influencemap.org/briefing/Carbon-Majors-2024-Data- Update-35466 3 - https://www.theenergymix.com/17-of-worlds-20-biggest-carbon-polluters-are-state-owned-fossil-companies/ https://www.theenergymix.com/17-of-worlds-20-biggest-carbon-... 4 - https://www.rinnovabili.net/environment/pollution/world-co2-emissions-fossil-fuel-companies/ https://www.rinnovabili.net/environment/pollution/world-co2-...

by GJim 2mo ago

_luci_ 2mo ago

So we should not own pets, because the real polluters (companies) are lobbying to keep polluting? What bothers me so much about this idea of individual responsibility is that we get blamed for a choice we couldn't possibly make. It is up to the people in power to start making change, and it is important that people vote and educate themselves, but IMO this idea of individual responsibility for societal problems like climate change is ridiculous and only leads to inaction! We need to hold companies accountable, and we need to hold governments accountable. Own a dog, enjoy your life!

aziaziazi 2mo ago
There's multiple vegan brands for dogs and cats feed. If it looks "unnatural" I suggest some reflexions: - Most kibble's ingredients are not naturals - Most of the kibble's flesh comes from a non-natural production - Your pet health (and your own health) require some "nutrients" instead of "food types" Agree 100% societal decisions are more important than individual ones. However the choice in question could be made as it's not doing (pet ownership). Don't take it personal, OP is not telling you what to do or blaming anyone but instead share some data. As you said: enjoy your life :) PS: price-wise they tends to be in the premium range. If your cat already has allergies and special kibbles for that, vegan kibbles are in the same price range and are particularly good for that condition.
- breezybottom 2mo ago
  You should never restrict a cat to a vegan diet. That is very unhealthy for them.
  - aziaziazi 2mo ago
    Let me cite yourself: > If you have data that supports this assertion, show it. Aside personal anecdotic evidences of cats thriving after +10 years of vegetal feed, here's some: > Considering these results overall, cats fed vegan diets tended to be healthier than cats fed meat-based diets. This trend was clear and consistent. These results largely concur with previous, similar studies > In most cases differences between dietary groups were not statistically significant [2023, 127 cats in the vegetal group] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0284132 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjourn... I admit that's not much, but If you think about it there's no reason a carnivore may not live healthy if provided the right nutrients, whatever the sources. Those nutrients are already well studied -especially for one of the two most common pet- and generously added in kibble because the base is often poorly balanced.
    - breezybottom 2mo ago
      That's observational, self-reported data. In other words, completely worthless.

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potsandpans 2mo ago

Ah, uk research institutions. The paragon of austerity for the common man. How are we going to fix the climate crises? Not a sensible carbon policy and mandates on international corporations and nation states[1][2][3][4]. No, just stop having pets. I don't think you're a crazy vegan, and I'm not outraged. But your proposal is ridicules. 1 - https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10... 2 - https://influencemap.org/briefing/Carbon-Majors-2024-Data- https://influencemap.org/briefing/Carbon-Majors-2024-Data- Update-35466 3 - https://www.theenergymix.com/17-of-worlds-20-biggest-carbon-polluters-are-state-owned-fossil-companies/ https://www.theenergymix.com/17-of-worlds-20-biggest-carbon-... 4 - https://www.rinnovabili.net/environment/pollution/world-co2-emissions-fossil-fuel-companies/ https://www.rinnovabili.net/environment/pollution/world-co2-...